HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

[Revelator]

I just want to say that Lena Heady did spectacular work this season.

This, but IMO Nikolaj Coster-Waldau​ (Jamie's character) has MVP for acting this season, possibly with Maisie Williams as close second.

Spoiler: show

I absolutely loved his work in episode 4 during the battle and I'm pretty thrilled about his developments last night. I was worried toward the end while talking to Cersei that he was a goner...

[malice]

When did Theon beat up Euron?

Whoever, i misnamed the guy, but it doesn't matter as far as the point i made, nitpicker

I must have been secretly wishing it was a Euro...

Got any other scathing insights on my post comment other than i used the wrong person?

[Anders]

a lot would need to happen for his legitimacy to even be considered. It can't just be "Bran and Sam say its true, so it'll happen"

so? Why does any of this matter now?

I don't know, but it'll probably be for dumb reasons on the show

With him and Dany as a couple it probably means a lot less than it could have. Still it gives them/him a sort of legitimacy with everyone (the people and nobles) apart from Cersei, should they/he survive the great war.

It's also easier for Sansa to be warden of the north.

I feel like people forget Varys's riddle to Tyrion about where true power comes from. Basically, the noble houses make a decision as who to follow as king. Those noble houses only have known him as Jon Snow, Ned Stark's bastard. I think it would take something more than a high septon's diary and the word of his "brother" who speaks mysteriously of visions to put him in a position of power in light of his parentage. Being a legitimate Targaryean has to mean something more to the overall story and I'll keep saying so until the show/books give me a reason otherwise. It just wouldn't make sense.

He is nearly king already, if him and Dany become a couple. Why wouldn't the people believe him if he is on the winning side of the war, and Sam can find the documentation for it?

[Anders]

When did Theon beat up Euron?

Whoever, i misnamed the guy, but it doesn't matter as far as the point i made, nitpicker

I must have been secretly wishing it was a Euro...

Sure.

They will now need to free his sister from Euron. Could be interesting.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[malice]

So im kind of hoping that they brought up the curse the witch laid on dany for not having children was a precursor to the curse being broken...

[Norah]

Theon being forgiven - dumb
Theon beating up Euron - dumb
Theon rallying the men with "for Yara! " etc - dumb
basically Theon's entire storyline once he escaped from Ramsey - dumb

I continue to believe they essentially destroyed character development and storylines for the sake of really cool dragon destroying shit footage

for the love of god mary please read the books

[malice]

Theon being forgiven - dumb
Theon beating up Euron - dumb
Theon rallying the men with "for Yara! " etc - dumb
basically Theon's entire storyline once he escaped from Ramsey - dumb

I continue to believe they essentially destroyed character development and storylines for the sake of really cool dragon destroying shit footage

for the love of god mary please read the books

I have them, ill probably start reading them just to stave off the withdrawal im gonna go through waiting a year and a half for them to wrap it up. I also think I'll watch the whole series from the get go like one episode a night sooner or later but i only down loaded up to season 5 so

Have they released any of thw seasons on dvd? Probably not

Anyway, the story differs quite a bit from the series, yeah?

[Anders]

a lot would need to happen for his legitimacy to even be considered. It can't just be "Bran and Sam say its true, so it'll happen"

so? Why does any of this matter now?

I don't know, but it'll probably be for dumb reasons on the show

With him and Dany as a couple it probably means a lot less than it could have. Still it gives them/him a sort of legitimacy with everyone (the people and nobles) apart from Cersei, should they/he survive the great war.

It's also easier for Sansa to be warden of the north.

I feel like people forget Varys's riddle to Tyrion about where true power comes from. Basically, the noble houses make a decision as who to follow as king. Those noble houses only have known him as Jon Snow, Ned Stark's bastard. I think it would take something more than a high septon's diary and the word of his "brother" who speaks mysteriously of visions to put him in a position of power in light of his parentage. Being a legitimate Targaryean has to mean something more to the overall story and I'll keep saying so until the show/books give me a reason otherwise. It just wouldn't make sense.

He is nearly king already, if him and Dany become a couple. Why wouldn't the people believe him if he is on the winning side of the war, and Sam can find the documentation for it?

Her inability to have children could be a problem.

True. If she can't have children, and she is married to Jon, he won't either. Difficult to say what will happen if she finds out who he is though.

[Anders]

Theon being forgiven - dumb
Theon beating up Euron - dumb
Theon rallying the men with "for Yara! " etc - dumb
basically Theon's entire storyline once he escaped from Ramsey - dumb

I continue to believe they essentially destroyed character development and storylines for the sake of really cool dragon destroying shit footage

for the love of god mary please read the books

I have them, ill probably start reading them just to stave off the withdrawal im gonna go through waiting a year and a half for them to wrap it up. I also think I'll watch the whole series from the get go like one episode a night sooner or later but i only down loaded up to season 5 so

Have they released any of thw seasons on dvd? Probably not

Anyway, the story differs quite a bit from the series, yeah?

I've got the first few seasons on blu-ray, and I'm sure there are dvds as well.

Now I've got HBO, and it's all there.

Yes, the books have stories and details that are missing from the show. Better in many ways, but of course the show is great in a different category.

[Norah]

Anyway, the story differs quite a bit from the series, yeah?

Pretty much everything after Tywin's death is different.

[Monkey_Driven]

Anyway, the story differs quite a bit from the series, yeah?

Pretty much everything after Tywin's death is different.

That's a little on the dramatic side, but yes, the show tends to stray from the books in varying degrees after Tywin's death. Some huge changes, some minor things to keep the story moving.

[Simple Torture]

a lot would need to happen for his legitimacy to even be considered. It can't just be "Bran and Sam say its true, so it'll happen"

so? Why does any of this matter now?

I don't know, but it'll probably be for dumb reasons on the show

With him and Dany as a couple it probably means a lot less than it could have. Still it gives them/him a sort of legitimacy with everyone (the people and nobles) apart from Cersei, should they/he survive the great war.

It's also easier for Sansa to be warden of the north.

I feel like people forget Varys's riddle to Tyrion about where true power comes from. Basically, the noble houses make a decision as who to follow as king. Those noble houses only have known him as Jon Snow, Ned Stark's bastard. I think it would take something more than a high septon's diary and the word of his "brother" who speaks mysteriously of visions to put him in a position of power in light of his parentage. Being a legitimate Targaryean has to mean something more to the overall story and I'll keep saying so until the show/books give me a reason otherwise. It just wouldn't make sense.

*whom

[Norah]

Anyway, the story differs quite a bit from the series, yeah?

Pretty much everything after Tywin's death is different.

That's a little on the dramatic side, but yes, the show tends to stray from the books in varying degrees after Tywin's death. Some huge changes, some minor things to keep the story moving.

What do they do accurately after Tywin's death?

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[Monkey_Driven]

Anyway, the story differs quite a bit from the series, yeah?

Pretty much everything after Tywin's death is different.

That's a little on the dramatic side, but yes, the show tends to stray from the books in varying degrees after Tywin's death. Some huge changes, some minor things to keep the story moving.

What do they do accurately after Tywin's death?

Depends on your definition of accurate. A lot of the same story beats are on the show, but with slight variations in timing and characters involved. There are a lot of big changes too of course.

[Norah]

Anyway, the story differs quite a bit from the series, yeah?

Pretty much everything after Tywin's death is different.

That's a little on the dramatic side, but yes, the show tends to stray from the books in varying degrees after Tywin's death. Some huge changes, some minor things to keep the story moving.

What do they do accurately after Tywin's death?

There are dragons.

But there were dragons before Tywin's death.

[Monkey_Driven]

Anyway, the story differs quite a bit from the series, yeah?

Pretty much everything after Tywin's death is different.

That's a little on the dramatic side, but yes, the show tends to stray from the books in varying degrees after Tywin's death. Some huge changes, some minor things to keep the story moving.

What do they do accurately after Tywin's death?

There are dragons.

But there were dragons before Tywin's death.

Yeah, but they were so tiny. More like lizards.

[Chris_H_2]

Pete, what do you prefer, the books or the show?

[epilogue]

Theon being forgiven - dumb
Theon beating up Euron - dumb
Theon rallying the men with "for Yara! " etc - dumb
basically Theon's entire storyline once he escaped from Ramsey - dumb

I continue to believe they essentially destroyed character development and storylines for the sake of really cool dragon destroying shit footage

for the love of god mary please read the books

I missed mary's post earlier so I'm gonna respond to this post.

Mary, fuck the books.

Also, you're 1,000% right about Theon on the show. It was all so completely fucking dumb. It killed all the momentum the episode had built up to that point and I don't know that it ever totally got it back.