Thejambi wrote:
Any artist worth a shit writes music with the most honesty, integrity, craft, care and hopes that someone will listen. Peddling a bunch of stuff that you hope will get someone to buy a ticket is shallow.
One of these things is an artist, the other is a salesman.
RIP PJ A Sides
There's the dog. You can't fake that stuff. Confess with your mouth.
JimX6 wrote:
That to me is a huge bummer. I can't stand Bruce's music.
Same here. And, unfortunately, I agree that's the direction Ed seems to be the most influenced by recently. Songs like Gone, Unemployable, and Unthought Known (the bridge), just scream Bruce to me. I haven't heard Future Days yet, but I'm guessing there's some in there too.
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
harmless wrote:
Every PJ song since the year dot has been divisive. Your argument holds no water. Cold Concession and Let It Ride would've had a divisive response among fans. But they would've been great songs, not shit ones. It just looks like you're trying to justify being glad that it's gone your way rather than ours. Which is fine, you don't even need to justify it, so why are you trying? You don't need to make up stuff about art being divisive and that's why they're releasing X kind of song rather than Y kind of song. PJ has always been a divisive band. Not everyone loved Ten, Versus, Vitalogy, No Code, Yield, Binaural or Riot Act. This colossal change of style and approach in recent years just cannot be explained by anything you're saying here.
I'm not sure what Tuolomne's argument is anymore. I thought he was saying that they made S/T and Backspacer to blow their fanbase open into a whole new group of people that hadn't liked them before. I'm not sure what that has to do with 'every artist wants to be heard' which may be true but is so vague as to be irrelevant.
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Tuolumne wrote: To connect to fans is not an artistic approach?
that sounds like the polar opposite of art.
dont artists make art with the intention of it causing a reaction?
Within themselves...
Any artist worth their salt wants their music heard. They want a reaction, no matter how divisive. I respect that some people dont dig the recent stuff, but I'd be really bummed if it was NOT getting some divisive reactions. To me it would be an artistic failure if it wasn't sparking any kind of reaction at all. That's sort of where I'm going at with my previous comments, even if I couldn't articulate them completely. They may not be reaching Joe Blow pop fan, but they are getting traction with a certain kind of music fan that likes PJ but at a certain distance. This is a better artistic life than just a bunch of completely satiated fans. The early years did that (as part of the grunge movement, which made all kinds of waves back in the day) and the middle period (No Code through Riot Act a huge contingent of fans hated, don't we remember this?). If it just neatly settled in without ruffling any feathers at all with 100% of the fans happy I think that's a lesser artistic result than a 50/50 split. I prefer the 50/50 split. Every artist wants to be heard. Anyone that says anything else is talking out of their ass.
These types of songs are also splitting music fans, much like No-code through Riot Act.
So, whats your point?
And also, I enjoy backspacer but lets not kid ourselves here...
JimX6 wrote:
That to me is a huge bummer. I can't stand Bruce's music.
Same here. And, unfortunately, I agree that's the direction Ed seems to be the most influenced by recently. Songs like Gone, Unemployable, and Unthought Known (the bridge), just scream Bruce to me. I haven't heard Future Days yet, but I'm guessing there's some in there too.
i love bruce and i think ed sounds good sining some of his tunes (my hometown), but eddie vedder seems to be trying to be bruce on stage now adays.
Lounge Lizard wrote:My first day here, it's half past six, I'm starving, but I find it very difficult to get up, switch off and leave
Great board and you guys are great.
No, no; this place is a sewer, Negativity Central.
Why is it that the production of these demos is leagues better than what appeared on the album? Who makes that call? Why must Pearl Jam overthink everything?
Ledbetterdays wrote:How good would have something like this have been with good production?
Let it Ride
Of The Earth
World Wide Suicide
Severed Hand
Marker In The Sand
Army Reserve
Comatose
Wasted Reprise
Life Wasted
Come Back
Inside Job
Cold Confession
I would be sad that it was missing parachutes
If we never got lost dogs/ any ra bsides, this would have been a great s/t
Life wasted
Comatose
Let it ride
Down
Otherside
Unemployable
Army reserve
Undone
Parachutes
Of the earth
Cold consession
--- wrote:Why is it that the production of these demos is leagues better than what appeared on the album? Who makes that call? Why must Pearl Jam overthink everything?
Lounge Lizard wrote:My first day here, it's half past six, I'm starving, but I find it very difficult to get up, switch off and leave
Great board and you guys are great.
(dragging self by hair away from the monitor and out of the chair) see yall when I see you, off now
on the one hand, it's great new pearl jam music that I dint have to make excuses for. on the other, it makes me realise the band that made this died a long time ago.
harmless wrote:
Every PJ song since the year dot has been divisive. Your argument holds no water. Cold Concession and Let It Ride would've had a divisive response among fans. But they would've been great songs, not shit ones. It just looks like you're trying to justify being glad that it's gone your way rather than ours. Which is fine, you don't even need to justify it, so why are you trying? You don't need to make up stuff about art being divisive and that's why they're releasing X kind of song rather than Y kind of song. PJ has always been a divisive band. Not everyone loved Ten, Versus, Vitalogy, No Code, Yield, Binaural or Riot Act. This colossal change of style and approach in recent years just cannot be explained by anything you're saying here.
I'm not sure what Tuolomne's argument is anymore. I thought he was saying that they made S/T and Backspacer to blow their fanbase open into a whole new group of people that hadn't liked them before. I'm not sure what that has to do with 'every artist wants to be heard' which may be true but is so vague as to be irrelevant.
I don't know. I think he was saying S/T and BS "accessibility" has fueled the tour machine and kept PJ elevated to headliner status. That if the albums were more artistic they wouldn't be as relevant and we would all be bitching because they weren't .
There's the dog. You can't fake that stuff. Confess with your mouth.
