Let's Play Two: Live from Wrigley Field

[Strat]

He is a superstar. He is the only superstar.

fans like you are the reason that Pearl Jam started making all the albums you hate

He doesnt like Binaural, KD.

[Anders]

Everybody contributes, but Eddie Vedder is the heart and soul of the band. Without Eddie they'd be not even close to as iconic as they are. He is a superstar. He is the only superstar.

Guns N'Roses with only Axl was mostly awful. Slash's Snakepit was awful. Guns'N Roses without Izzy contributing songs, will probably not make a great record. It's the combination of all the parts that make the magic.

Soundgarden without Cornell? Hmm. Probably not in our lifetime. AC/DC replaced the great Bon Scott. AiC went on without Staley. Will never happen with Pearl Jam, but we did get Temple Of The Dog.

Of course Ed has great talent and charisma. We all love him. That's not the discussion. Pearl Jam is a great band because of all the talent involved. A million times better than Ed solo.

[Bi_3]

At least in the early days, I think Ed needed Jeff and Stone more than they needed him. Of course they were all very fortunate to have found each other but Ed’s pre-Pearl Jam music doesn’t exactly portend greatness, whereas Jeff and Stone had been in two moderately successful bands already.

Maybe for the first dozen shows... after that Ed was the draw for the crowds and everyone on this board. When Beth blew the roof off that mother and PJ "broke", it became obvious how crucial the other members are, but PJ was and has been Ed's band since 92.

[Strat]

man , i wish ed got famous for acid induced techno music instead. That'd been a game changer, for sure.

[LetMeSleep]

He is a superstar. He is the only superstar.

fans like you are the reason that Pearl Jam started making all the albums you hate

Ed is a super star. he had a lot of things that the rest of the guys didnt, and a lot of what many other singers didnt. They are all lucky to have found each other and its okay to see that eddie vedder was pretty goddamn magical as a front man. I know he annoys a lot of you these days but its kind of silly to take away his brilliance as a front man and vocalist and spokesperson back in the day.

True. I concur. But is Boom the Dizzy Reed of PJ?

[Strat]

He is a superstar. He is the only superstar.

fans like you are the reason that Pearl Jam started making all the albums you hate

Ed is a super star. he had a lot of things that the rest of the guys didnt, and a lot of what many other singers didnt. They are all lucky to have found each other and its okay to see that eddie vedder was pretty goddamn magical as a front man. I know he annoys a lot of you these days but its kind of silly to take away his brilliance as a front man and vocalist and spokesperson back in the day.

True. I concur. But is Boom the Dizzy Reed of PJ?

Ol' monkey hands vs. a guy that looks as though he was plucked out of guitar center?

Ill take neither.

[Anders]

Ed is fantastic, but he probably would have ended up some regular guy from San Diego, had they not chosen him, while Stone and Jeff were destined for success. But they were still lucky they found Ed, because of his amazing talent. He was easily the luckier one though. It was a mix of timing, Ed's charisma, the talent involved, and Stone's music, that made Ten possible.

[Strat]

Ed is fantastic, but he probably would have ended up some regular guy from San Diego, had they not chosen him, while Stone and Jeff were destined for success. But they were still lucky they found Ed, because of his amazing talent. He was easily the luckier one though. It was a mix of timing, Ed's charisma, the talent involved, and Stone's music, that made Ten possible.

They are all the reason they are in the R n R hall of fame.

Any other combo they may have died off with the rest of alternative rock in the mid 90's.

[LetMeSleep]

Ed is fantastic, but he probably would have ended up some regular guy from San Diego, had they not chosen him, while Stone and Jeff were destined for success. But they were still lucky they found Ed, because of his amazing talent. He was easily the luckier one though. It was a mix of timing, Ed's charisma, the talent involved, and Stone's music, that made Ten possible.

They are all the reason they are in the R n R hall of fame.

Any other combo they may have died off with the rest of alternative rock in the mid 90's.

I don't throw this thread into a rehash but there was someone missing.

[evenslow]

To be 100% honest, the only two indispensable members in the early days were Ed and Stone. The whole band is great but it was those two who were ready and able to take things to another level in 1991.

[Anders]

Funny that Ed wanted the band to be only four members, but Stone and Jeff told him they were 100% keeping Mike. This was when they met him the first time in California, before Ed had ever met Mike.

[digster]

Everybody contributes, but Eddie Vedder is the heart and soul of the band. Without Eddie they'd be not even close to as iconic as they are. He is a superstar. He is the only superstar.

I mean, yeah. That's what frontmen are. The only 'superstar' in REM is Michael Stipe, and no one with the slightest inkling of that band would ever say the other members are chopped liver. Does anyone know anybody in Radiohead besides Thom Yorke, despite the importance and skills of everyone in that band? It doesn't strike me as odd that Joe Musicfan knows who Eddie Vedder is and not Jeff Ament.

The conventional wisdom that they needed each other I think has weight; there's no doubt that Eddie stamped those songs in a way that set them apart from other bands, but Bad Radio doesn't really seem like it was on the verge of world domination. It took a confluence of events and talents.

[Kevin Davis]

He is a superstar. He is the only superstar.

fans like you are the reason that Pearl Jam started making all the albums you hate

Ed is a super star. he had a lot of things that the rest of the guys didnt, and a lot of what many other singers didnt. They are all lucky to have found each other and its okay to see that eddie vedder was pretty goddamn magical as a front man. I know he annoys a lot of you these days but its kind of silly to take away his brilliance as a front man and vocalist and spokesperson back in the day.

I just think it's incorrect to say that he is the sole driving force behind their music just because he's the sole driving force behind their fame.

[BDB]

back on topic:
on the soundtrack at the start of inside job there is something I assume is from the film being spoken that is cut off. I cant make it out. that is really poor editing and attention to detail on the soundtrack.

[bodysnatcher]

Everybody contributes, but Eddie Vedder is the heart and soul of the band. Without Eddie they'd be not even close to as iconic as they are. He is a superstar. He is the only superstar.

Does anyone know anybody in Radiohead besides Thom Yorke, despite the importance and skills of everyone in that band?

[VinylGuy]

Im dying to see the movie.

[Tuolumne]

Saw the movie this weekend and am glad I saw this on a big screen, Clinch really captured the feeling of being in the pit in front of the band. You can hear the crowd sing right along and it accomplishes the feeling of being at a show moreso than their other video releases. I also think we're very fortunate artists like Clinch or Cameron Crowe find this band worthwhile enough to want to put their own spin on them or give their take on their feelings about the band. It's territory most artists never get to - where others are giving their interpretation of what they do. And I certainly can't think of any other doc that does this baseball spin Clinch gives it. Overall, it makes sense - tying together hope and devotion and improbable outcomes and fan communities. In that sense it works, although it's always a stretch tying in concerts to baseball.

Clinch managed to give it a really good authentic shot and this film certainly has a great reason to exist. And man, you can tell Clinch poured his heart into this. There's these little details, like when Ed does one of his mic stand leans and looks at the crowd upside down - and Clinch actually shows a shot of the crowd upside down to mimic what Ed's seeing. There's tons of little clips he splices that show how much heart he put into this project. That little detail sort of clinched (pun intended) that this dude was really going for something, and some of his sinouttes gave me the chills, and some of them didn't.

Does it capture the concerts themselves? These are the greatest shows I've ever been to, and not even a full bootleg or Youtube video truly does justice what a moving experience these shows were. But I sure as hell got a really cool keepsake of that weekend, and it reminds me of something I do not ever want to forget.

For shows that were just chalk full of one highlight after another: The intro to Sad and the performance of it, Masters of War, Let Me Sleep, Throw Your Arms Around Me, Footsteps, Immortality, I Got Shit, and on and on, the one thing I was really disappointed Clinch didn't include was the fuckin WAVE we did on the first night as Ed and Jeff were about to start into Bee Girl. That was about as much of a **baseball** moment you could ever hope for during a concert, and Clinch didn't include it? It would have totally made sense!

All said, believe it or not us TenClubber types aren't the only consumers of this band, and there's alot about this film which I think is appealing to outsiders of the band, especially given the setlist selection. Lucky for me, I'm a baseball fan and was an especially obsessive one as a child, so I kinda get it even though I'm not a Cubs fan.

[evenslow]

[Bammer]

It was good

The movie?

The margarita. I got one with jalapeños in it

[Bi_3]

Saw the movie this weekend and am glad I saw this on a big screen, Clinch really captured the feeling of being in the pit in front of the band. You can hear the crowd sing right along and it accomplishes the feeling of being at a show moreso than their other video releases. I also think we're very fortunate artists like Clinch or Cameron Crowe find this band worthwhile enough to want to put their own spin on them or give their take on their feelings about the band. It's territory most artists never get to - where others are giving their interpretation of what they do. And I certainly can't think of any other doc that does this baseball spin Clinch gives it. Overall, it makes sense - tying together hope and devotion and improbable outcomes and fan communities. In that sense it works, although it's always a stretch tying in concerts to baseball.

Clinch managed to give it a really good authentic shot and this film certainly has a great reason to exist. And man, you can tell Clinch poured his heart into this. There's these little details, like when Ed does one of his mic stand leans and looks at the crowd upside down - and Clinch actually shows a shot of the crowd upside down to mimic what Ed's seeing. There's tons of little clips he splices that show how much heart he put into this project. That little detail sort of clinched (pun intended) that this dude was really going for something, and some of his sinouttes gave me the chills, and some of them didn't.

Does it capture the concerts themselves? These are the greatest shows I've ever been to, and not even a full bootleg or Youtube video truly does justice what a moving experience these shows were. But I sure as hell got a really cool keepsake of that weekend, and it reminds me of something I do not ever want to forget.

For shows that were just chalk full of one highlight after another: The intro to Sad and the performance of it, Masters of War, Let Me Sleep, Throw Your Arms Around Me, Footsteps, Immortality, I Got Shit, and on and on, the one thing I was really disappointed Clinch didn't include was the fuckin WAVE we did on the first night as Ed and Jeff were about to start into Bee Girl. That was about as much of a **baseball** moment you could ever hope for during a concert, and Clinch didn't include it? It would have totally made sense!

All said, believe it or not us TenClubber types aren't the only consumers of this band, and there's alot about this film which I think is appealing to outsiders of the band, especially given the setlist selection. Lucky for me, I'm a baseball fan and was an especially obsessive one as a child, so I kinda get it even though I'm not a Cubs fan.

Great review man, I might actually watch the whole thing now. Like the wave you mentioned, one thing I thought would be a cool inclusion would have been collective groans and cheers when it started to rain just before the show on night one.