Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

[Sgt. Crackpot]

I'm yet to have a second viewing (next Friday now), but I'm glad that Rian really challenged a lot of expectations here. There were a lot of twists and turns in the story. This is what many fans were screaming for after TFA, but I wonder if it's those same fans that are now claiming this to be the worst ever in the entire franchise.

I challenge those same fans to watch the snore-fest that is AOTC again. The galactic senate rubbish was so dragged out. Gah, I'm never able to rewatch that without falling asleep.

However TLJ seemed to kick straight into the action, and maintained a steady rhythm for the length of the movie.

[dimejinky99]

I enjoyed this film, but it is going to absolutely crumble under scrutiny.

i disagree 100%. its the extra scruitny and consideration that is going to favorably resolve a lit of the initial negative gut reactions. This is very nuanced and subtle storytelling (for star wars) that plays against the simple morality and bright lines we normally expect in these movies. it will take time to work itself out.

Yeah agreed. There’s a whole lot going on here that unfolds almost too much and that’s why people seem to be missing the numerous subtleties woven into each character and their arc.

[stip]

This is a good read but especially for anyone having trouble with it.

https://t.co/SbTDq3ks88?amp=1

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While he skips over all the other problems with the movie, which are there regardless, I can’t agree that all the Skywalkers dying out is a satisfying end to the saga. That somehow all the Sith and Jedi dying brings balance to the universe. For me it’s a betrayal of the OT, and hurts the saga more than anything.

i spoilered this anders.


also

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there are still two skywalkers alive. leia (though they cant carry that through) and ben solo - in fact a skywalker now rules the galaxy.

[B]

Do we believe Ren's statements about Rey's parents?

[B]

I think I'm worried that a lot of unknowns from TFA are tied up and now we're handing this back to JJ Abrams to give us a bunch of unanswered nonsense questions again.

[dimejinky99]

Do we believe Ren's statements about Rey's parents?

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I reckon Bens lying to her on the parents thing in order to weaken her in that moment and try and knock her confidence but he’s going about it the wrong way. It’s exactly the abusive treatment he’s gotten from Snoke.

If 9 truly is the final episode of the saga I can’t see JJ not being able to give her a scene where she finds out who her parents truly were. It’s just too much of an almost bittersweet happy ending tear inducing moment to resist including.

[stip]

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i absolutely believe him. rey is special because of who she is intrinsically, not because of what she inherited

[dimejinky99]

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i absolutely believe him. rey is special because of who she is intrinsically, not because of what she inherited

oh i agree with you, im just saying its something jj is going to undo in the finale..

[stip]

i think there is enough plot to work through the finale wont need secrets

[B]

I had some weird trailers before this movie.

Tomb Raider
Sampson
Alpha
Jurassic World
The Greatest Showman

I leaned over to my wife during the Alpha trailer and asked her, "are we in the right theater?"

[VinylGuy]

Do we believe Ren's statements about Rey's parents?

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i dont. Even with all this ¨ you dont need to be special to be special ¨thang i still think thats a secret they will unfold in the next chapter...gotta say guys im kinda happy JJ is back.

[dimejinky99]

stip youll like this

I really like this take on the film: https://www.avclub.com/part-kurosawa-pa ... 1821291545

One thing that threatens to get lost in the back-and-forth over the film's story choices and individual moments is how Johnson has made probably the most cinematically ambitious entry the series has seen. He manages to take various inspirations and homages (as one observant poster pointed out earlier, the initial casino establishing shot appears to be a direct nod to Wings, and as alluded to in the article above there's clear inspirations from a different era of Japanese cinema than Lucas embraced) and casually mixes them with his own ideas. He definitely IMO manages to create one of the most visually fetching, cine-literate blockbusters of recent times.

[Anders]

This is a good read but especially for anyone having trouble with it.

https://t.co/SbTDq3ks88?amp=1

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While he skips over all the other problems with the movie, which are there regardless, I can’t agree that all the Skywalkers dying out is a satisfying end to the saga. That somehow all the Sith and Jedi dying brings balance to the universe. For me it’s a betrayal of the OT, and hurts the saga more than anything.

i spoilered this anders.


also

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there are still two skywalkers alive. leia (though they cant carry that through) and ben solo - in fact a skywalker now rules the galaxy.

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But in the article he says they must end, and Ben must die. And of course Ben must die, he is the villain.

[dimejinky99]

i think there is enough plot to work through the finale wont need secrets

we could have Luke reveal it to her...

[stip]

This is a good read but especially for anyone having trouble with it.

https://t.co/SbTDq3ks88?amp=1

Spoiler: show

While he skips over all the other problems with the movie, which are there regardless, I can’t agree that all the Skywalkers dying out is a satisfying end to the saga. That somehow all the Sith and Jedi dying brings balance to the universe. For me it’s a betrayal of the OT, and hurts the saga more than anything.

i spoilered this anders.


also

Spoiler: show

there are still two skywalkers alive. leia (though they cant carry that through) and ben solo - in fact a skywalker now rules the galaxy.

Spoiler: show

But in the article he says they must end, and Ben must die. And of course Ben must die, he is the villain.

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i wouldnt conflate skywalkers and jedi

[Kaius]

Good movie. I had fun. My 11-year-old daughter had fun. I feel like the Finn and Rose stuff was a little clunky, but not "prequel-level" clunky. I can't think of anything else that I disliked. It was a well-made movie, top to bottom.

[Anders]

This is a good read but especially for anyone having trouble with it.

https://t.co/SbTDq3ks88?amp=1

Spoiler: show

While he skips over all the other problems with the movie, which are there regardless, I can’t agree that all the Skywalkers dying out is a satisfying end to the saga. That somehow all the Sith and Jedi dying brings balance to the universe. For me it’s a betrayal of the OT, and hurts the saga more than anything.

i spoilered this anders.


also

Spoiler: show

there are still two skywalkers alive. leia (though they cant carry that through) and ben solo - in fact a skywalker now rules the galaxy.

Spoiler: show

But in the article he says they must end, and Ben must die. And of course Ben must die, he is the villain.

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i wouldnt conflate skywalkers and jedi

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No, they are clearly separate. But the nine episode saga is about the Skywalkers.

[dimejinky99]

I liked the implication that

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Luke was about to "become one with the Force" at the beginning when Rey interrupted him/end of TFA. Each time he has the white robes on in TLJ he seems about to do this

[stip]

This is a good read but especially for anyone having trouble with it.

https://t.co/SbTDq3ks88?amp=1

Spoiler: show

While he skips over all the other problems with the movie, which are there regardless, I can’t agree that all the Skywalkers dying out is a satisfying end to the saga. That somehow all the Sith and Jedi dying brings balance to the universe. For me it’s a betrayal of the OT, and hurts the saga more than anything.

i spoilered this anders.


also

Spoiler: show

there are still two skywalkers alive. leia (though they cant carry that through) and ben solo - in fact a skywalker now rules the galaxy.

Spoiler: show

But in the article he says they must end, and Ben must die. And of course Ben must die, he is the villain.

Spoiler: show

i wouldnt conflate skywalkers and jedi

Spoiler: show

No, they are clearly separate. But the nine episode saga is about the Skywalkers.

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right, which will conclude with the end of the Anakin - Luke - Ben skywalker arc.

[Anders]

This is a good read but especially for anyone having trouble with it.

https://t.co/SbTDq3ks88?amp=1

Spoiler: show

While he skips over all the other problems with the movie, which are there regardless, I can’t agree that all the Skywalkers dying out is a satisfying end to the saga. That somehow all the Sith and Jedi dying brings balance to the universe. For me it’s a betrayal of the OT, and hurts the saga more than anything.

i spoilered this anders.


also

Spoiler: show

there are still two skywalkers alive. leia (though they cant carry that through) and ben solo - in fact a skywalker now rules the galaxy.

Spoiler: show

But in the article he says they must end, and Ben must die. And of course Ben must die, he is the villain.

Spoiler: show

i wouldnt conflate skywalkers and jedi

Spoiler: show

No, they are clearly separate. But the nine episode saga is about the Skywalkers.

Spoiler: show

right, which will conclude with the end of the Anakin - Luke - Ben skywalker arc.

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Which is a terrible ending to a saga.