Net Neutrality

[LoathedVermin72]

Everything’s fine no cause for alarm the corporations will be fair don’t worry

[Kaius]

b hol

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i'd actually talk about this with cutuphalfdead and a few of the other respectable accounts here, but the clods above appear to have cognitive abilities that would make the comprehension of lego instructions a real challenge

[Kaius]

Did you get that air of superiority from the bottle of malbec or is it just the basic "conservative, middle-class Caucasian" kind?

[LoathedVermin72]

Looks like I have a third RMer to add to the foes list. If I wanted those kind of witless insults I’d read a Facebook comment section.

[Kaius]

I really want to know who the other two are

[Green Habit]

i'd actually talk about this with cutuphalfdead and a few of the other respectable accounts here, but the clods above appear to have cognitive abilities that would make the comprehension of lego instructions a real challenge

As I said when I started this thread, I'm (still) not that passionate about this issue, and would be interested in hearing your case, or at least a link to an article you'd endorse on this subject.

[BurtReynolds]

[4/5]

net neutrality in general just isn't that big of a deal

Mostly this. The internet functioned pretty well pre-2015 and will continue to do so. For me it comes down to whether a policy promotes competition (good) or protects companies from competition (bad).

[wease]

Zettabytes? I’ve never even heard of such a thing.

[Superblood Wolfmoon]

Hate to sound ignorant on the subject, but I was under the impression that the internet was working under net neutrality up until this point. Didn't realize it was only since 2015.

[malice]

Zettabytes? I’ve never even heard of such a thing.

One zettabyte = one trillion gigabytes

[bune]

not surprised to read everyone conflating granting ISPs the ability to manage their networks via the price mechanism with the last-mile local oligopoly/monopoly issue

today's development is a net positive, though the benefits are (of course) being oversold by all the interested parties

Oh yeah. Because that time they were paid to create better networks and then pocketed the money instead was them managing their networks.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-ku ... 70035.html

http://newnetworks.com/ShortSCANDALSummary.htm

https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimf ... 0_billion/

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131 ... vers.shtml

[4/5]

not surprised to read everyone conflating granting ISPs the ability to manage their networks via the price mechanism with the last-mile local oligopoly/monopoly issue

today's development is a net positive, though the benefits are (of course) being oversold by all the interested parties

Oh yeah. Because that time they were paid to create better networks and then pocketed the money instead was them managing their networks.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-ku ... 70035.html

http://newnetworks.com/ShortSCANDALSummary.htm

https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimf ... 0_billion/

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131 ... vers.shtml

These articles provide an excellent reminder of the pitfalls governments providing corporate welfare at the public's expense.

However, this isn't what yesterday's vote did. It didn't end regulation of ISP's, it returned it to pre-2015 regulation under the oversight of the FTC.

I'd also ask you whether your internet service improved from let's say 2000 to 2015 in the absence of net neutrality regulations. What happened to the quality and cost of service as well as the number of options, not only for ISPs but for content as well?

Remember, when there aren't barriers to entry and companies face competition they must provide customers with value (lower costs, better service, innovations) to win their business. They do not have power like a government does to force people to do something by edict. Sure, they might be all about their bottom line and desirous of squeezing out every last cent of profit, but they have to please consumers because if they don't somebody else will.

(The last paragraph applies to most people in this country that have some level of options for their ISP; some people in rural areas still only have one provider, so their circumstance is different but that isn't what yesterday's rule change was about.)

[bune]

I think you're right in that it's going to take a while to see what this vote actually does. There's the abject nakedness of it but there's also the time-will-tell aspect.

Emotions are high right now so knees are jerking, my own included.

[Stickman]

Here’s How Much TeleCom Industry Gave Each Republican Who Urged FCC To End Net Neutrality

BY PETER MELLADO

PUBLISHED ON DECEMBER 15, 2017


Ajit Pai, President Trump’s hand-picked Chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, completed his boss’s directive to dismantle net neutrality today. Claiming without evidence that gutting net neutrality would spur innovation, Pai cast the deciding vote on a package of measures that remove the popular Obama-era regulations that prevented internet service providers from controlling the speeds at which content travels across their networks.

While Democrats have been united in their opposition to Pai’s plan, net neutrality hasn’t been among the top issues Republicans have been talking about for the past year. Few have offered much more than tacit support for Trump’s plan to hand the keys to the internet over to broadband owners. On the eve of the FCC’s vote, however, 107 GOP members of congress came out of the shadows and sent a letter to Ajit Pai offering their full support for the controversial move.

TeleCom providers like Comcast and AT&T have lobbied hard against net neutrality for months, and Republicans in congress have been particularly receptive to their overtures. Kaleigh Rogers and Jason Koebler at Vice News just revealed how receptive they have been.

They’ve documented how much in “donations” 84 of those members have received from TeleCom industry giants. Here’s their entire list:

Mo Brooks, Alabama, $26,000
Ron Estes, Kansas, $13,807
Thomas Massie, Kentucky, $25,000
Ralph Norman, South Carolina, $15,050
John Moolenaar, Michigan, $25,000
Neal Dunn, Florida, $18,500
Mike Bishop, Michigan, $68,250
Alex Mooney, West Virginia, $17,750
Glenn “GT” Thompson, Pennsylvania, $70,500
Blaine Luetkemeyer, Missouri, $105,000
Paul Gosar, Arizona, $12,250
Richard W. Allen, Georgia, $24,250
Kevin Cramer, North Dakota, $168,500
Greg? Walden, Oregon, $1,605,986
Marsha Blackburn, Tennessee, $600,999
Billy Long, Missouri, $221,500
Gregg Harper, Mississippi, $245,200
Brett Guthrie, Kentucky, $398,500
Bill Johnson, Ohio, $196,666
Jeff Duncan, South Carolina, $41,830
Earl “Buddy” Carter, Georgia, $39,250
Susan Brooks, Indiana, $168,500
Gus Bilirakis, Florida, $234,400
Markwayne Mullin, Oklahoma, $141,750
Mimi Walters, California, $161,500
Joe Barton, Texas, $1,262,757
Bill Flores, Texas, $127,500
Pete Olson, Texas, $220,500
Morgan Griffith, Virginia, $198,900
Tim Walberg, Michigan, $131,850
Fred Upton, Michigan, $1,590,125
Joe Wilson, South Carolina, $104,750
Martha McSally, Arizona, $84,936
Blake Farenthold, Texas, $64,250
Steve Womack, Arkansas, $104,750
Tom Marino, Pennsylvania, $130,700
Louie Gohmert, Texas, $85,055
Walter Jones, North Carolina, $72,800
Leonard Lance, New Jersey, $290,550
Steve Chabot, Ohio, $332,083
Bob Goodlatte, Virginia, $815,099
Andy Biggs, Arizona, $19,500
Mark Walker, North Carolina, $35,750
Glenn Grothman, Wisconsin, $21,200
Ken Buck, Colorado, $79,350
Larry Bucshon, Indiana, $71,750
Chuck Fleischmann, Tennessee, $42,00
David Rouzer, North Carolina, $34,300
Paul Mitchell, Michigan, $18,000
Hal Rogers, Kentucky, $360,450
Doug Collins, Georgia, $103,600
Ralph Abraham, Louisiana, $27,300
Mark Meadows, North Carolina, $14,500
Michael McCaul, Texas, $216,500
Jeb Hensarling, Texas, $270,198
Mike Simpson, Idaho, $125,200
Tom Emmer, Minnesota, $28,500
Randy Weber, Texas, $13,750
Rob Woodall, Georgia, $60,250
Ted Budd, North Carolina, $15,500
Ken Calvert, California, $219,212
Diane Black, Tennessee, $104,750
Virginia Foxx, North Carolina, $115,700
Sam Johnson, Texas, $219,785
James Comer, Kentucky, $22,750
Trey Gowdy, South Carolina, $83,250
Lamar Smith, Texas, $810,462
Steven A King, Iowa, $210,810
George Holding, North Carolina, $97,750
Rob Wittman, Virginia, $57,250
John Lee Ratcliffe, Texas, $53,950
Jason Lewis, Minnesota, $21,050
Jim Banks, Indiana, $16,303
Bill Huizenga, Michigan, $34,000
Bill Shuster, Pennsylvania, $202,500
Steven Russell, Oklahoma, $23,500
Adrian Smith, Nebraska, $165,834
Jody B Hice, Georgia, $21,000
Richard Hudson, North Carolina, $136,750
Douglas L Lamborn, Colorado, $110,543
Chris Collins, New York, $151,060
Cathy McMorris-Rodgers, Washington, $673,530
Brad Wenstrup, Ohio, $33,750
Andy Barr, Kentucky, $51,100

[wease]

All three from TN are running for governor next year.

[simple schoolboy]

Has anyone established the overlap between those that love hentai and those that believe than net neutrality is an unquestionable good?

[BurtReynolds]

strong correlation

[BurtReynolds]

I don't mean to make light of this situation but goddamn who is that brunette in Ajit Pai's cringy video? I want her and will support anything she supports.