lulzdurdencommatyler wrote:Again, this boils down to misunderstanding. Neither Stip nor myself are trying to say that the people who didn't like it didn't understand it. At this point we're all just talking past each other. It's impossible to have a conversation this way.
I'm with you 100% on TLJ, but I hate it when people say this.dimejinky99 wrote: Fucking millennials.
Maybe. I can't really think of anything else that has made me feel like that in any other SW movie.stip wrote:Here's a question. Was the light speed kamikaze attack the most striking visual effect in Star Wars history?
Did he really have much of a sarcastic sense of humor? Because he called lightsabers lazerswords? I didn't really catch much sarcasm or humor from him. Don't think he was on Ach-To for that long. Kylo's a teenager in the flashback, which means it's been maybe 15 years at the most since that day, and I doubt he just said "whelp, fuck it, I'm out" right from the get go. His actions led to exactly the opposite of what he was trying to accomplish. He feels he can do no more good, he fucked shit up trying to do the Jedi Master thing, has 0 help from any other living Jedi, knows there's no saving Kylo after what happened and how deep Kylo is in the darkside already, can't do much as a single person against the entire First Order, no matter how strong he is. Anything he tries to do would just jeopardize the mission anyway.daft twat wrote:Here is the one thing I can't get past if it's okay to not like the movie despite several RM heavyweights loving it (or convincing themselves they do after 5 or 6 viewings):
In RotJ, Luke was sacrificing his life for the small chance he could save his father. I don't believe the same person would then even for a second think about murdering his nephew in his sleep because he sees darkness in him. Even if I could be convinced the Dark Side is just that powerful, no way Luke just runs and hides, waiting to die in peace he doesn't deserve. He would spend his remaining days trying to right his wrong, trying to save his sister's son. And then the formerly Puritan-dry farm boy spent decades of isolation developing a really sarcastic sense of humor after ruining multiple lives. Who gives a shit if he's powerful or got to look at 2 goddam suns when he died? Subjectively, I think Rian got Luke waaaaay wrong, and that's why despite liking a lot about the movie, I hate it. When it's finally run its course at the b.o. or on dvd, I expect Mark will express similar displeasure. Again.
I think it's definitely the most spectacular self sacrifice. The impact was incredibly devastating. I think it was a combination of this, and the way it was shot, ensured this scene had major emotional impact. 'Less is more' applies greatly here, where no massive sound effects were required. Deafening silence.Leatherhead wrote:Maybe. I can't really think of anything else that has made me feel like that in any other SW movie.stip wrote:Here's a question. Was the light speed kamikaze attack the most striking visual effect in Star Wars history?
Rangi Guy wrote:So skating back to the train station after work today things went wrong.....now my skateboard is at the bottom of the harbour
If not, then it’s pretty close to the top. I wish there was more urgency behind it. Saving more of a Resistance fleet than like 40 people.stip wrote:Here's a question. Was the light speed kamikaze attack the most striking visual effect in Star Wars history?
dimejinky99 wrote:I could destroy any ai chatbot you put in front of me. Easily.
No, I've got the first book, and I've even read a few chapters a while back. I should get back to it.stip wrote:Did you read r Scott Baker’s Second Apocalypse?
VinylGuy wrote:Both of you should agree with Anders and me and be happy.
It's the fanboys that are declaring this the worst SW ever and SW is dead and ruined. Unable to see past how they always fantasized post-RotJ SW would go.LoathedVermin72 wrote:You are the epitome of an ignorant, drooling fanboy.
Why don't you tell us how you really feel about the movie Burt?BurtReynolds wrote:lol this is terrible! So glad I didn't dedicate my entire life and identity to this fandom. The audience rating on Rotten Tomatoes dont lie.
Because the people that love it are not fanboys? Right.Leatherhead wrote:It's the fanboys that are declaring this the worst SW ever and SW is dead and ruined. Unable to see past how they always fantasized post-RotJ SW would go.LoathedVermin72 wrote:You are the epitome of an ignorant, drooling fanboy.
How'd you feel about prequels Yoda?LetMeSleep wrote:Luke has always been a whiny bitch and I can fully understand him shutting himself off with some Ryan Adams albums for a good mope.
I’m also glad that Luke as a fifty year old wasn’t in an actual lightsaber battle with a twenty five year old, shown to be kicking ass after years of just guzzling sea donkey juice and eating fish pie. Now that would have been far sadder to watch and harder to believe.
FiftyLetMeSleep wrote:Luke has always been a whiny bitch and I can fully understand him shutting himself off with some Ryan Adams albums for a good mope.
I’m also glad that Luke as a fifty year old wasn’t in an actual lightsaber battle with a twenty five year old, shown to be kicking ass after years of just guzzling sea donkey juice and eating fish pie. Now that would have been far sadder to watch and harder to believe.
The entire throne room scene from Snoke and Rey to killing Snoke into the battle with the praetorian guards to kylo and Rey together after might well be the best sequence or series of sequences in all Star Wars. The fight especially is just beautiful. The slo mo was a shock at first and a first in Star Wars but it works so well. It’s such a visual treat. Every shot judged to perfection.Leatherhead wrote:Maybe. I can't really think of anything else that has made me feel like that in any other SW movie.stip wrote:Here's a question. Was the light speed kamikaze attack the most striking visual effect in Star Wars history?
