malice wrote:Im getting really tired of this whole system of rationalization trump supporters have going on. It tries to make the basest and most vile behavior we exhibit into the commonplace and therefore perfectly acceptable. Not to mention it's actively used to try to shame the more noble and high minded ideas and attitudes some of us have right the hell out of us.
liberal and educated are nearly curse words at this point.
Fuck you guys
Ugh.McParadigm wrote:The idea that everyone else is secretly thinking what you are is a long-held racist assumption/defense.
yea, but but but it was a class action lawsuit and not directly to Donald!digster wrote:Literally the first time Trump ever showed up in the newspapers was because the DOJ sued his company for discrimination. In the 1970s.
you're one of the worst offenders, b_i, you're smart and well educated and yet you bend over backwards to make teh donald look like a stand up guy. even as you acknowledge his utter stupidity, you do it.Bi_3 wrote:malice wrote:Im getting really tired of this whole system of rationalization trump supporters have going on. It tries to make the basest and most vile behavior we exhibit into the commonplace and therefore perfectly acceptable. Not to mention it's actively used to try to shame the more noble and high minded ideas and attitudes some of us have right the hell out of us.
liberal and educated are nearly curse words at this point.
Fuck you guys
Dev wrote:you're delusional. you are a sad sad person. fuck off. you're mentally ill beyond repair. i don't need your shit. dissapear.
That's some Chinese proverb-level burn, shit.malice wrote:you're one of the worst offenders, b_i, you're smart and well educated and yet you bend over backwards to make teh donald look like a stand up guy. even as you acknowledge his utter stupidity, you do it.Bi_3 wrote:malice wrote:Im getting really tired of this whole system of rationalization trump supporters have going on. It tries to make the basest and most vile behavior we exhibit into the commonplace and therefore perfectly acceptable. Not to mention it's actively used to try to shame the more noble and high minded ideas and attitudes some of us have right the hell out of us.
liberal and educated are nearly curse words at this point.
Fuck you guys
I hope your children have a future they dont end up blaming you for
your friend pretty much proves my point, but like I said to burt, this country was built, and imo achieved no small feats of greatness , by people who came here from shithole countries.lowlight79 wrote:You guys have to remember, Obama pissed ALOT of middle class white people off over his 8 years in office. Moving out of NY taught me that. There is alot of people who also don't care what he says because they hate how much of cesspool DC was and still is. Half the country still is gonna support him because they don't care what he says.
A friend of mine who is a trump supporter sees is this way, He said " well he isn't wrong, those places are shitholes"
Dev wrote:you're delusional. you are a sad sad person. fuck off. you're mentally ill beyond repair. i don't need your shit. dissapear.
Audiobook[edit]
An audiobook, read by Wallace himself, was published in 2005 by Time Warner Audiobooks. The three CD set contains complete readings of the following essays: “Consider the Lobster”, “The View from Mrs. Thompson’s”, “Big Red Son”, and “How Tracy Austin Broke My Heart”.
You have to remember that a literal majority of those people also believed he was secretly not American. So that's where their logic and moral centers are at.lowlight79 wrote:You guys have to remember, Obama pissed ALOT of middle class white people off over his 8 years in office.
Spend a good 25 years in the plains and you'll start to really appreciate how little factual information ever gets through, and just how thoroughly calculated conservative spin actually decides that worldview.Moving out of NY taught me that.
Not half the country supports him.Half the country still is gonna support him because they don't care what he says.
To say that a place is run down or less developed than we are is not the same as saying "because that country is poorly off, we shouldn't be accepting any more immigrants from there." I say again, Donald Trump's entire point was that he saw a reason to exclude those people from pursuing America as a place to live. In that context, "shithole" isn't meant to make a point about the nation (or continent) but rather the worth of the people.A friend of mine who is a trump supporter sees is this way, He said " well he isn't wrong, those places are shitholes"
Agreed.jwfocker wrote:People rationalizing Trumps statement by saying well it's what people are thinking. Well no fucking shit asshole. That's not the point. It isn't something a president should ever say.
The lengths people will go to normalize this garbage is almost as depressing as the actual shit coming out of his fat face.
Why is this so hard for almost everyone to grasp?McParadigm wrote:To say that a place is run down or less developed than we are is not the same as saying "because that country is poorly off, we shouldn't be accepting any more immigrants from there." I say again, Donald Trump's entire point was that he saw a reason to exclude those people from pursuing America as a place to live. In that context, "shithole" isn't meant to make a point about the nation (or continent) but rather the worth of the people.A friend of mine who is a trump supporter sees is this way, He said " well he isn't wrong, those places are shitholes"
I'm not sure where you get the idea that I think he is stand up guy or advocate for him. What I advocate for is rationalist, evidence-based assessments of the moral gray area of our reality and I rarely see that when it comes to Trump. It's mostly emotional and often groupthink. I find the man is an embodiment of much of what is problematic about our culture, but that doesn't mean he is always wrong, nor does it mean I feel the need to 'resist' (or impugn the motives) of everything he does, and I do question if the popularity those things are a result of people feeling so shamed by their common identity with him that there is a sense of urgency to distance themselves from him and in course rejecting any objective analysis of what our current state actually is. So I'm sorry if it bothers you that I don't scream at the sky every time some 70+ year old trust fund real-estate developer says ignorant, bigoted things, and please don't take the absence of reactionary condemnation that as an endorsement of those views. You and I hold most views in common, we just arrive at them in very different ways.malice wrote: you're one of the worst offenders, b_i, you're smart and well educated and yet you bend over backwards to make teh donald look like a stand up guy. even as you acknowledge his utter stupidity, you do it.
I hope my children are capable of discerning the level of importance in life of bulllshit on an unofficial pearl jam messageboardmalice wrote: I hope your children have a future they dont end up blaming you for
the thing is i dont scream at the sky every time trump opems his mouth , ive been largely silent about him, here and out in teh reality verse.Bi_3 wrote:I'm not sure where you get the idea that I think he is stand up guy or advocate for him. What I advocate for is rationalist, evidence-based assessments of the moral gray area of our reality and I rarely see that when it comes to Trump. It's mostly emotional and often groupthink. I find the man is an embodiment of much of what is problematic about our culture, but that doesn't mean he is always wrong, nor does it mean I feel the need to 'resist' (or impugn the motives) of everything he does, and I do question if the popularity those things are a result of people feeling so shamed by their common identity with him that there is a sense of urgency to distance themselves from him and in course rejecting any objective analysis of what our current state actually is. So I'm sorry if it bothers you that I don't scream at the sky every time some 70+ year old trust fund real-estate developer says ignorant, bigoted things, and please don't take the absence of reactionary condemnation that as an endorsement of those views. You and I hold most views in common, we just arrive at them in very different ways.malice wrote: you're one of the worst offenders, b_i, you're smart and well educated and yet you bend over backwards to make teh donald look like a stand up guy. even as you acknowledge his utter stupidity, you do it.
I hope my children are capable of discerning the level of importance in life of bulllshit on an unofficial pearl jam messageboardmalice wrote: I hope your children have a future they dont end up blaming you for
Dev wrote:you're delusional. you are a sad sad person. fuck off. you're mentally ill beyond repair. i don't need your shit. dissapear.
he's from atlanta?Biff Pocoroba wrote:There is some irony that those who agree with the "shithole county" comments would likely agree that Trump himself is from a shithole city.
