Yup. Sure, Pearl Jam were always somewhat derivative. But still they had an identity and still you could recognise a PJ song when you heard one. That may have been much to do with Ed but I don't know how much.BurtReynolds wrote:its not black and white. They seem to lean much heavier on their influences these days to the point their own unique sound barely registers.harmless wrote:This is a good and comforting argument. I guess the first time I started to feel they were derivative now was Yield.stip wrote:pearl jam has never been 'original' and other than vedder never really had a sound all their own. they are a distillation of a wide array of musical influences rather than their own voice (again, outside Eddie). That's one of the reasons why you get so many styles of songs from them, and people will find themselves enjoying songs that are related to genres and approaches they are otherwise not really interested in .harmless wrote:Has it? It would make me feel a lot better if I felt that.stip wrote:that has been them from the beginning.harmless wrote:I just find it slightly disturbing that every time they talk about writing a song they refer to other bands they wanted it to sound like. It's like they feel nothing about writing as Pearl Jam anymore. They have nothing to say.
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harmless wrote:I just find it slightly disturbing that every time they talk about writing a song they refer to other bands they wanted it to sound like. It's like they feel nothing about writing as Pearl Jam anymore. They have nothing to say.

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To be fair, every interview I've ever read with them includes this plus maybe a metaphor involving a wave or driving. They're all just awful at talking about thier music. And honestly interviews in general .harmless wrote:I just find it slightly disturbing that every time they talk about writing a song they refer to other bands they wanted it to sound like. It's like they feel nothing about writing as Pearl Jam anymore. They have nothing to say.
What websites good for old interviews? I'd love to read some binaural era stuff.
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The riff sounds a lot cooler when it isn't nauseatingly polished and overproduced...
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I feel thats probably gonna be a problem with a lot of LB 
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I agree 100%. A Vitalogy riff.verb_to_trust wrote:The riff sounds a lot cooler when it isn't nauseatingly polished and overproduced...
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I remember Five Horizons having quite a bit.stupidmop wrote:To be fair, every interview I've ever read with them includes this plus maybe a metaphor involving a wave or driving. They're all just awful at talking about thier music. And honestly interviews in general .harmless wrote:I just find it slightly disturbing that every time they talk about writing a song they refer to other bands they wanted it to sound like. It's like they feel nothing about writing as Pearl Jam anymore. They have nothing to say.
What websites good for old interviews? I'd love to read some binaural era stuff.
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It's unlikely to be as much of a problem as it was on Backspacer.
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Yeah I don't think it's polished as much as it is kind of low in the mix.verb_to_trust wrote:The riff sounds a lot cooler when it isn't nauseatingly polished and overproduced...
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I wouldn't describe it as polished or overproduced. Especially the "riff."
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The drums sound more polished than the guitars. The snare has no punch whatsoever.
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Yeah, the ride cymbal seems a little much too. Doesn't ruin it for me, though.harmless wrote:The drums sound more polished than the guitars. The snare has no punch whatsoever.
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Just listen to the studio clip at the end of the vid compared to what Mike plays in the vid with his neutered tele.Self wrote:I wouldn't describe it as polished or overproduced. Especially the "riff."
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I'm pretty used to looking past the drums by now. And the first thought when I heard Severed Hand was everything should be louder, so that's nothing new either.Self wrote:Yeah, the ride cymbal seems a little much too. Doesn't ruin it for me, though.harmless wrote:The drums sound more polished than the guitars. The snare has no punch whatsoever.
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What if I don't want to?verb_to_trust wrote:Just listen to the studio clip at the end of the vid compared to what Mike plays in the vid with his neutered tele.Self wrote:I wouldn't describe it as polished or overproduced. Especially the "riff."
Also, what vid?
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I'm not sure this is all that uncommon with rock bands. It seems like a relatively convenient shorthand, especially if you're not well versed in theory (which I'm not sure any of PJ are).harmless wrote:I just find it slightly disturbing that every time they talk about writing a song they refer to other bands they wanted it to sound like. It's like they feel nothing about writing as Pearl Jam anymore. They have nothing to say.
As for them being unique, I think they are (or were) relatively innovative, or at least interesting, in their songwriting and arrangements; they do some somewhat unexpected stuff for the genre in which they reside. I think one reason they're not seen as being all that unique is that they don't have that one signature musical sound that is consistent throughout their work. Take U2 and R.E.M.; even without Bono or Stipe's vocals, you can pick out the band from the Edge's delay effects in the former and Peter Buck's arpeggios in the latter. The music in PJ has never really had a single sound that was employed for all (or most) of their work.
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Self wrote:What if I don't want to?verb_to_trust wrote:Just listen to the studio clip at the end of the vid compared to what Mike plays in the vid with his neutered tele.Self wrote:I wouldn't describe it as polished or overproduced. Especially the "riff."
Also, what vid?
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Only goes to 2001, but...stupidmop wrote:To be fair, every interview I've ever read with them includes this plus maybe a metaphor involving a wave or driving. They're all just awful at talking about thier music. And honestly interviews in general .harmless wrote:I just find it slightly disturbing that every time they talk about writing a song they refer to other bands they wanted it to sound like. It's like they feel nothing about writing as Pearl Jam anymore. They have nothing to say.
What websites good for old interviews? I'd love to read some binaural era stuff.
http://pearljamhistory.no.sapo.pt/PJArt ... rviews.htm
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Well, that was uncalled for.verb_to_trust wrote:Self wrote:What if I don't want to?verb_to_trust wrote:Just listen to the studio clip at the end of the vid compared to what Mike plays in the vid with his neutered tele.Self wrote:I wouldn't describe it as polished or overproduced. Especially the "riff."
Also, what vid?
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digster wrote:Only goes to 2001, but...stupidmop wrote:To be fair, every interview I've ever read with them includes this plus maybe a metaphor involving a wave or driving. They're all just awful at talking about thier music. And honestly interviews in general .harmless wrote:I just find it slightly disturbing that every time they talk about writing a song they refer to other bands they wanted it to sound like. It's like they feel nothing about writing as Pearl Jam anymore. They have nothing to say.
What websites good for old interviews? I'd love to read some binaural era stuff.
http://pearljamhistory.no.sapo.pt/PJArt ... rviews.htm
Awesome ill take a look in a bitThejambi wrote:
I remember Five Horizons having quite a bit.