Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

[VinylGuy]

In a classic Pumpkins drama Darcy is showing text messages and telling everyone they dont invite her to play. The messages show a pretty mellow concern Corgan telling her she is welcome to play with them as she wants, and she keeps telling him strange things like im with my mom, or my shoulder is fucked.
I think im with Billy in this one.

[verb_to_trust]

Maybe she can't play anymore?

[VinylGuy]

Maybe she can't play anymore?

I bet she cant, i bet she is just trying to fuck everything because of that.

[verb_to_trust]

The other thing would be self awareness that a lot of people who otherwise would never know she changed would see her fucked up face.

[VinylGuy]

well billy and co havent seen her in 19 years. They dont even know how well she is, if she plays bass or not...i think his approach to her was pretty cool.

[verb_to_trust]

I just mean that she is probably self conscious. The casual fan likely thinks she stayed hot.

[bodysnatcher]

i was never a big Smashing Pumpkins fan, so this all seems pretty absurd from an outside perspective

[gardenparty]

Jack Bates?

[Jorge]

Billy is an insane asshole, but D'arcy also seems nutty. Whatever. Bring back Auf der Maur!

[Birds in Hell]

Yeah.

As much as I rag on Brett Buchanan and his horrible website, this interview with D'arcy is quite fascinating and occasionally hilarious:

https://www.alternativenation.net/smash ... -20-years/

He just would throw tantrums and I would laugh at him. James would say, ‘Don’t laugh at Billy!’ Why not? Who died and made him God? We would be writing a song, and he would say, ‘That’s not the right bassline!’ ‘Oh, you’re telling me it’s written already?’ Eric Remschneider, who played cello for us on I think Siamese Dream, we were in the recording studio with him, and Eric and I were really close, he’s hysterical and a brilliant guy. Billy kept saying, ‘That’s not what I want.’ Eric said, ‘You said you wanted a professional cellist, not a psychic cellist, and I’m not psychic.’

Anyhow though, when Billy fired me, James went along with him, because he said he thought that’s what I wanted. James just needs to grow a spine, Jesus.

You should have heard him the day he validated Mozart’s music (laughs). James and I wanted to strangle him. We were on a plane on tour with all of these studio musicians who were just so even keeled, and the only way they could stay in the business at that level is to be level headed, and just let things go. These are classically trained people, and I’m classically trained as well. He’s sitting there literally validating Mozart like, ‘Hey, it’s okay to like Mozart, because I just realized that he was a genius.’ It’s like oh my god, I can’t listen to him talk any more! (Groans) What was the question?

I was told by people who work for me and James that the day came when the album was finished, and they were in the conference room with all of the Presidents and VP’s of the record company, and they were like: ‘Where are James and D’arcy?’ (Laughs) Then he got whatever Asian guy to play guitar [Jeff Schroeder], and some girl [Ginger Pooley] to play bass, using my guitar. That really pissed me off.

I thought he wasn’t reading my texts, then he said, ‘Blah blah blah, I wish you well.’ I was like, ‘You don’t wish me well, you don’t love me, you don’t love anybody, you don’t care about anybody.’ Then he’s like, ‘Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!’ I’m like there he is! There is the real Billy Corgan, I finally got through to you! He’s a like a dog with a bone, you just can’t get through to him.

She sounds kind of spacey at times but she's also pretty perceptive and funny.

[VinylGuy]

She sounds kinda insane too. I bet Corgan is unleashing his fury after the SP announcement.

[verb_to_trust]

Everyone in this band is a miserable person.

[bodysnatcher]

Clashing Bumpkins

[Wendy Carlos's Twin]

Splashing Blumpkins

[bodysnatcher]

Mashing Dumplings

[verb_to_trust]

Thrashing Buttskins

[PHATJ]

I’m stoked for this reunion and I definitely plan on attending the show in the Twin Cities.

Also, D’arcy is looney tunes.

[PHATJ]

Maybe she can't play anymore?

I bet she cant, i bet she is just trying to fuck everything because of that.

I’m guessing this is the case.

[Birds in Hell]

I don't know, that series of messages reads to me as if Billy has already pre-determined that her role will be relatively minor, like an occasional guest appearance, which is pretty unfair given her history with the band. Sure, she hasn't played music professionally for almost 20 years, but at least sit down with her in person and in a rehearsal room and work this stuff out before rushing into studio recordings and tour promotion.

It seems like pretty classic petulant and juvenile Billy Corgan behaviour. He doesn't want to be the bad guy who says "you're out of the band", so he'll just engineer the situation to exclude her and then frame it as though she was never going to have a significant role anyway. Then if she blows up at him, "woah, look at the crazy lady over here".

[VinylGuy]

I think she is the kind of person who always puts excuses...she seemed to have a should injury, then she couldnt leave the house because of her mother...Billy comes off as reasonable in those texts.

Anyway, im exited about Billy and James playing together...fuck those 3 guitars sound really cool!!