Black Panther (2018)

[stip]

No, I get it

im in the same boat. i enjoyed the movie very much but not in the intensely personal way others do. Which makes sense because im not the recipient of that message. but im glad it is out there, and its why some of the comments in this thread (and NOT, to be clear, critiques about the film itself) are unusually offensive even by RM standards

[stip]

I SAID I GET IT

oh, i had a seperate reply waiting to go had you said otherwise, never you fear

[VinylGuy]

No, I get it

im in the same boat. i enjoyed the movie very much but not in the intensely personal way others do. Which makes sense because im not the recipient of that message. but im glad it is out there, and its why some of the comments in this thread (and NOT, to be clear, critiques about the film itself) are unusually offensive even by RM standards

Offensive? which ones? I feel the conversation in this thread is far from offensive.

[stip]

glad to know this movie solved black america's problems

case closed

[stip]

Holy shit this is killing it at the box office. Some estimates will have it hit $230 million by the end of tomorrow. If it does, that means it will have beaten Justice League. Not the opening weekend of Justice League -- the entire domestic run of that misbegotten botch.

https://deadline.com/2018/02/black-pant ... 202291093/

Mrs. B: We've got stuff going on all weekend.
B: There's a 10am showing on Sunday.
Mrs. B: Should we pre-buy tickets?
B: Pffft. For 10am? No one's going to 10am.

...

The B's will be seeing this movie next weekend.

So black folks are not that poor then right?

[VinylGuy]

you understand those are jokes right?

[Jorge]

Well, I haven't seen anything egregiously "offensive" in this thread. LV's lamentations over the state of cinema happen in the threads for every popular film he doesn't like, and he is right about some concerning aspects of Disney's current cultural stranglehold. Other stuff has been mostly jokey from what I can tell

[stip]

you understand those are jokes right?

yes. you understand why that doesnt matter?

[VinylGuy]

you understand those are jokes right?

yes. you understand why that doesnt matter?

No. There are obvious jokes. It does matter that they are posted there just to be jokey about it, and of course we dont think and mean whatever those post say.

[stip]

Well, I haven't seen anything egregiously "offensive" in this thread. LV's lamentations over the state of cinema happen in the threads for every popular film he doesn't like, and he is right about some concerning aspects of Disney's current cultural stranglehold. Other stuff has been mostly jokey from what I can tell

i should not have said unusually offensive. i was just particularly bothered by them yesterday.
and my comment was not directed at LV

[@SkitchP]

I get it as well. Just like Jorge. We're practically twins.

[@SkitchP]

Would stip be mad if I pointed out that my showing started about 12 minutes late?

[Jorge]

Well, I haven't seen anything egregiously "offensive" in this thread. LV's lamentations over the state of cinema happen in the threads for every popular film he doesn't like, and he is right about some concerning aspects of Disney's current cultural stranglehold. Other stuff has been mostly jokey from what I can tell

i should not have said unusually offensive. i was just particularly bothered by them yesterday.
and my comment was not directed at LV

RM is always going to be two things:
- snarky
- white

[stip]

you understand those are jokes right?

yes. you understand why that doesnt matter?

No. There are obvious jokes. It does matter that they are posted there just to be jokey about it, and of course we dont think and mean whatever those post say.

it is still cutting down and being dismissive of a culturally and socially empowering moment of representation of a historically (and currently) marginalized group. that it is under the guise of a ‘joke’ doesnt matter. thats better than the ‘but i have black friends’ defense, but its on that continuium. Nor have the people making the jokes established the awareness cache on this board for the ‘jokes’ to be actual jokes rather then a manifestation of privelage

[stip]

Well, I haven't seen anything egregiously "offensive" in this thread. LV's lamentations over the state of cinema happen in the threads for every popular film he doesn't like, and he is right about some concerning aspects of Disney's current cultural stranglehold. Other stuff has been mostly jokey from what I can tell

i should not have said unusually offensive. i was just particularly bothered by them yesterday.
and my comment was not directed at LV

RM is always going to be two things:
- snarky
- white

sure. and there are times that this manifests in ways that are a little unthinkingly ugly. im not shocked by this turn of events

[stip]

Would stip be mad if I pointed out that my showing started about 12 minutes late?

that movie would have started on time in Obama’s America!

[stip]

Yeah, i see that but i wish they got a better actress for the role if thats whats going on.

to get back to the movie, while i liked the genius sister more than VG (she was fine) I didnt flag her as a standout. for me the general really stole the show

[LoathedVermin72]

you understand those are jokes right?

yes. you understand why that doesnt matter?

No. There are obvious jokes. It does matter that they are posted there just to be jokey about it, and of course we dont think and mean whatever those post say.

it is still cutting down and being dismissive of a culturally and socially empowering moment of representation of a historically (and currently) marginalized group. that it is under the guise of a ‘joke’ doesnt matter. thats better than the ‘but i have black friends’ defense, but its on that continuium. Nor have the people making the jokes established the awareness cache on this board for the ‘jokes’ to be actual jokes rather then a manifestation of privelage

This kind of genuflecting, exalted tone around this MARVEL SUPERHERO MOVIE is exactly what I’m talking about. You’re telling me this movie is such a sacred cultural touchstone that even making jokes about it is offensive? Come back to earth.

[Bi_3]

This is actually some ingenious marketing strategy. If you load up your corporate junk with concerted effort to appear racially empowering, it all but makes you invulnerable to criticism, and people think even less about shoveling their cash toward your product. I guess it makes sense that this is the only way we're truly going to make progress in America - united by artless commercialism.

i wanted to come back to this today now that im back home. There are no ideas in Black Panther that are themselves revolutionary (in that theyre new). This is not a vanguard film. But the fact that a consensus orgainization like Disney - the embodiment of mainstream sensibilities - has put this out (a movie about black cultural and social empowerment, which is what the themes boil down to), and that it has been so well received critically and with general audiences, is itself a pretty amazing thing and does speak to progress and a cultural relevance at this moment in history.

I know, right? Pretty soon white kids will be wearing the jerseys of black athletes.

[bada]

you understand those are jokes right?

yes. you understand why that doesnt matter?

No. There are obvious jokes. It does matter that they are posted there just to be jokey about it, and of course we dont think and mean whatever those post say.

it is still cutting down and being dismissive of a culturally and socially empowering moment of representation of a historically (and currently) marginalized group. that it is under the guise of a ‘joke’ doesnt matter. thats better than the ‘but i have black friends’ defense, but its on that continuium. Nor have the people making the jokes established the awareness cache on this board for the ‘jokes’ to be actual jokes rather then a manifestation of privelage

This kind of genuflecting, exalted tone around this MARVEL SUPERHERO MOVIE is exactly what I’m talking about. You’re telling me this movie is such a scared cultural touchstone that even making jokes about it is offensive? Come back to earth.

Stip's always been big on things being "earned". He'll let you know when you've earned the right to jokes. Until then you better check your privilege.