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Re: Can't Deny Me (2017 Christmas Single)

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Kaius's total lack of technical savvy is giving me flashbacks to Christmas with the in laws. Of course they are in their 70s.
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Who cares if 10C is "annoyed at us"
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stip wrote: That's probably pretty close. The chorus lyrics need another pass but they're pretty close to being good. The verse has the Bu$hleaguer/No More problem (more the later) when Eddie feels so passionate about something so obvious that he has no artful way to phrase it.
I think that part of the problem is that during the latter days of their career (certainly since 2006-ish), Eddie has had trouble telling stories from other people's perspectives. When you give voice to someone who's not you, you can get away with stuff that doesn't sound as interesting couched in "HEY GUYS, HERE'S WHAT I THINK."

I would describe lots of their early records are empathetic, really trying to understand how and why other people feel the way they do--not every song is like this; certainly, songs like "Alive" and "Release" come straight from the center of Ed's psyche, but you had tunes like Why Go and Deep that balanced them. Jeremy. Elderly Woman. WMA. Betterman. I can't think, off the top of my head, of a single song off the last two records (or from the era, if we want to consider non-album tracks) that struck me as coming from a similar place.
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Simple Torture wrote:
stip wrote: That's probably pretty close. The chorus lyrics need another pass but they're pretty close to being good. The verse has the Bu$hleaguer/No More problem (more the later) when Eddie feels so passionate about something so obvious that he has no artful way to phrase it.
I think that part of the problem is that during the latter days of their career (certainly since 2006-ish), Eddie has had trouble telling stories from other people's perspectives. When you give voice to someone who's not you, you can get away with stuff that doesn't sound as interesting couched in "HEY GUYS, HERE'S WHAT I THINK."

I would describe lots of their early records are empathetic, really trying to understand how and why other people feel the way they do--not every song is like this; certainly, songs like "Alive" and "Release" come straight from the center of Ed's psyche, but you had tunes like Why Go and Deep that balanced them. Jeremy. Elderly Woman. WMA. Betterman. I can't think, off the top of my head, of a single song off the last two records (or from the era, if we want to consider non-album tracks) that struck me as coming from a similar place.
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This is good. Give me an angry Pearl Jam album.
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Ensign9 wrote:This is good. Give me an angry Pearl Jam album.
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The Argonaut wrote:
Ensign9 wrote:This is good. Give me an angry Pearl Jam album.
Hey Ensign9. Thank you for those LOST recaps back in the day
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cutuphalfdead wrote:
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Ensign9 wrote:This is good. Give me an angry Pearl Jam album.
Hey Jeff, welcome back.
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Simple Torture wrote:
stip wrote: That's probably pretty close. The chorus lyrics need another pass but they're pretty close to being good. The verse has the Bu$hleaguer/No More problem (more the later) when Eddie feels so passionate about something so obvious that he has no artful way to phrase it.
I think that part of the problem is that during the latter days of their career (certainly since 2006-ish), Eddie has had trouble telling stories from other people's perspectives. When you give voice to someone who's not you, you can get away with stuff that doesn't sound as interesting couched in "HEY GUYS, HERE'S WHAT I THINK."

I would describe lots of their early records are empathetic, really trying to understand how and why other people feel the way they do--not every song is like this; certainly, songs like "Alive" and "Release" come straight from the center of Ed's psyche, but you had tunes like Why Go and Deep that balanced them. Jeremy. Elderly Woman. WMA. Betterman. I can't think, off the top of my head, of a single song off the last two records (or from the era, if we want to consider non-album tracks) that struck me as coming from a similar place.
you're absolutely right, but that largely shifted around No Code, where Eddie became the central character in many statement songs. The stories became less empathetic in general (since they're about him), and Eddie has never been as interesting when he just says what he thinks. Even Alive and Release come at you from a very internal place. Much of his writing since then has been very surface. It's been a tendency that's become more and more prominent.

Force of Nature is a good example of that older style from the last two albums.
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bada wrote:Kaius's total lack of technical savvy is giving me flashbacks to Christmas with the in laws. Of course they are in their 70s.
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Monkey_Driven wrote:
Ensign9 wrote:This is good. Give me an angry Pearl Jam album.
Hey Jeff, welcome back.
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It began ok. It kept on getting worse.

Being a Pearl Jam fan for me used to be about wondering what they would come up with next, eagerly. Now it's always apprehension.
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I don't hate it. I can see it growing on me some with repeated listens for a better quality recording. Maybe if it pops up in their South America sets?
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Birds in Hell wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:Guys, it's a Christmas single...

Better than Ole.
I don't know, they've never pushed Christmas singles on their Facebook/Twitter profiles in this way before. It's being presented like a proper single, not just a 10C thing.

I also don't hear the Soundgarden/Cornell similarities at all.
I don’t think it’s a Christmas single either. Here’s the email I got:

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That sure makes it sound like a proper single.
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wease wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:Guys, it's a Christmas single...

Better than Ole.
I don't know, they've never pushed Christmas singles on their Facebook/Twitter profiles in this way before. It's being presented like a proper single, not just a 10C thing.

I also don't hear the Soundgarden/Cornell similarities at all.
I don’t think it’s a Christmas single either. Here’s the email I got:

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Imagine if your prediction of March 16 is true. :shock:
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I gave it a listen and thought it was pretty good. No Immortality or Red Mosquito, but I think it reminded most thematically like something off Avocado and musically like Backspacer. When I was listening Johnny Guitar came more to mind except maybe a bit more straight forward rock. I too thought it sounded like Chris Cornell before the first chorus.
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LetMeSleep wrote:
wease wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:Guys, it's a Christmas single...

Better than Ole.
I don't know, they've never pushed Christmas singles on their Facebook/Twitter profiles in this way before. It's being presented like a proper single, not just a 10C thing.

I also don't hear the Soundgarden/Cornell similarities at all.
I don’t think it’s a Christmas single either. Here’s the email I got:

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Imagine if your prediction of March 16 is true. :shock:
I don’t remember that. Wow. If so, I’m buying lottery tickets.
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The Argonaut wrote:
Ensign9 wrote:This is good. Give me an angry Pearl Jam album.
Hey Ensign9. Thank you for those LOST recaps back in the day
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