S/T Survivor: Album Finals

darth_vedder · Post by **darth_vedder** » Fri March 16, 2018 2:45 pm

Anders wrote:The demo is superior, but still.

Yeah, I agree with that. They should of maybe just left it an Ed solo track, or chosen a different song for S/T.

Post by **Jorge** » Fri March 16, 2018 2:45 pm

The demo is still bad. Of course the band arrangement in the album version is lazy and unimaginative, but the base composition is so sluggishly boring from a musical point of view that I don't see how any harmonic or rhythmic flourishes could ever save it.

darth_vedder · Post by **darth_vedder** » Fri March 16, 2018 2:46 pm

EJ wrote:World Wide Suicide sucks hard.

Yeah, after Gone, it's probably my next least favorite.

chewm · Post by **chewm** » Fri March 16, 2018 2:47 pm

Gone is good.
The album version is better than the demo.

darth_vedder · Post by **darth_vedder** » Fri March 16, 2018 2:47 pm

theplatypus wrote:The demo is still bad. Of course the band arrangement in the album version is lazy and unimaginative, but the base composition is so sluggishly boring from a musical point of view that I don't see how any harmonic or rhythmic flourishes could ever save it.

The demo is superior to a turd, so it's still a turd anyway you hear it. It's also really boring live.

Anders · Post by **Anders** » Fri March 16, 2018 2:51 pm

The Gone demo is great, far from a turd. Very atmospheric.

darth_vedder · Post by **darth_vedder** » Fri March 16, 2018 2:51 pm

doone wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
doone wrote:gawd, this is so hard, I hate so many of them.
Really? This album has aged well for me
I can't say I ever listen to it anymore.

I rarely listen to it, but I really like about half the songs. Marker, LW, Parachutes, Severed Hand, Unemployable, and Army Reserve are my glass half full outlook.

darth_vedder · Post by **darth_vedder** » Fri March 16, 2018 2:55 pm

Anders wrote:The Gone demo is great, far from a turd. Very atmospheric.

Calling it a turd was probably a little too far. I just listened to the demo, I do indeed like it better than the full band version. The vibe of the song comes across more. The demo is actually pretty solid.

Anders · Post by **Anders** » Fri March 16, 2018 2:56 pm

darth_vedder wrote:
Anders wrote:The Gone demo is great, far from a turd. Very atmospheric.
Calling it a turd was probably a little too far. I just listened to the demo, I do indeed like it better than the full band version. The vibe of the song comes across more. The demo is actually pretty solid.

In the far off distance
As my tail-lights fade
No one thinks to witness
But they will someday

darth_vedder · Post by **darth_vedder** » Fri March 16, 2018 2:58 pm

darth_vedder wrote:
doone wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
doone wrote:gawd, this is so hard, I hate so many of them.
Really? This album has aged well for me
I can't say I ever listen to it anymore.
I rarely listen to it, but I really like about half the songs. Marker, LW, Parachutes, Severed Hand, Unemployable, and Army Reserve are my glass half full outlook.

Shit, I forgot Big Wave. I

that one.

Anders · Post by **Anders** » Fri March 16, 2018 2:58 pm

darth_vedder wrote:
doone wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
doone wrote:gawd, this is so hard, I hate so many of them.
Really? This album has aged well for me
I can't say I ever listen to it anymore.
I rarely listen to it, but I really like about half the songs. Marker, LW, Parachutes, Severed Hand, Unemployable, and Army Reserve are my glass half full outlook.

Not a bad list. I would have Come Back in there as well.

koopee27 · Post by **koopee27** » Fri March 16, 2018 3:22 pm

Unemployable

kp

Post by **Jorge** » Fri March 16, 2018 3:41 pm

Good things about "Unemployable":
- Matt's nifty ride cymbal work in the intro and middle 8
- Vocal harmonies in the chorus
- Contrapuntal arpeggios in the chorus
- The shift up into the "I've seen the light" section
- The cool high-up bass in the outro, giving the song a whole new color

Honestly it's far from one of my favorite PJ songs; the lyrics are pretty bad, I don't like the verses, and the "oh-oh-oh-oh" part really does sound like Shania Twain. But it's got enough interesting details about it that I still prefer it over 75% of an album where the whole approach seems to have been "nevermind details, let's rawk"

wease · Post by **wease** » Fri March 16, 2018 3:49 pm

stip wrote:Unemployable

WTF is wrong with you?

wease · Post by **wease** » Fri March 16, 2018 3:49 pm

Birds in Hell wrote:Easy vote for Come Back.

digster · Post by **digster** » Fri March 16, 2018 3:52 pm

theplatypus wrote:The demo is still bad. Of course the band arrangement in the album version is lazy and unimaginative, but the base composition is so sluggishly boring from a musical point of view that I don't see how any harmonic or rhythmic flourishes could ever save it.

Yeah...the demo and the full band take are both very unremarkable.

Really, I think this record holds up fairly well up to and include Unemployable. It just starts to fumble in the back half, IMO.

chewm · Post by **chewm** » Fri March 16, 2018 4:32 pm

I love Unemloyable so much.

LoathedVermin72 · Post by **LoathedVermin72** » Fri March 16, 2018 4:38 pm

theplatypus wrote:Good things about "Unemployable":
- Matt's nifty ride cymbal work in the intro and middle 8
- Vocal harmonies in the chorus
- Contrapuntal arpeggios in the chorus
- The shift up into the "I've seen the light" section
- The cool high-up bass in the outro, giving the song a whole new color

Honestly it's far from one of my favorite PJ songs; the lyrics are pretty bad, I don't like the verses, and the "oh-oh-oh-oh" part really does sound like Shania Twain. But it's got enough interesting details about it that I still prefer it over 75% of an album where the whole approach seems to have been "nevermind details, let's rawk"

The lyrics ruin anything good about it

CopperTom · Post by **CopperTom** » Fri March 16, 2018 5:47 pm

Army Reserve

PHATJ · Post by **PHATJ** » Fri March 16, 2018 6:10 pm

EJ wrote:World Wide Suicide sucks hard.

Red Mosquito

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