Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

[dimejinky99]

Was just reading about Snokes ship. It’s literally a military industrial complex. Totally self sufficient.
He didn’t want to establish a capital or home planet until the resistance was crushed. So the city sized Supremacy makes all its own military hardware and all its own supplies and all that.

I need the vehicles book for TLJ

[run2death]

Honestly, if you guys enjoyed it .

I really wish I could. SW was such a huge part of my life growing up and now I just find it tedious and stupid.

I don't think the advancements in film technology have done SW any favors (or at least its use of those advancements).

It's all too clean. It's lost its B movie/cheesy quality and that's made the stupid plot points, bad acting and inconsistencies more unforgivable.

[dimejinky99]

B movie/cheesy quality and that's made the stupid plot points, bad acting and inconsistencies

You definitely need to watch TLJ again. Had all these things in spades:)

Only kidding. Overall it is way more enjoyable on further viewings. Give it a go

[stip]

just completed my first blu-ray watch. this is a magnificent film. Im increasingly confident that this is the best of the star wars films. certainly not as pathbreaking as a new hope and empire (how could anything be?) but as an overall film, the character arcs, the thematic depth, the dialogue, the performances - this is the film to beat.

[stip]

and reading some of the character complaints on the prior page - a lot of this is just missing things because these are very nuanced characters for the most part, and characters in star wars have historically been broad archtypes.

[Anders]

Yes, that space chase was something special. Although Canto Bight really topped it.

[Anders]

I'll watch the specials now. Should be fun.

[stip]

Yeah, don't get me started on Hux. Kylo takes shit from that piddly little f*ck for a movie and a half, but then all of a sudden finds the gumption to kill Snoke.

this is an example of what talking about. you dont have to like the performance or the direction, but when you approach their actions from the standpoint of two insecure young people fighting for the affection of an abusuve child predator it all makes sense, and there are layers upon layers to many of these performances - which is why this will age so well

[run2death]

Yes, that's space chase was something special. Although Canto Bight really topped it.

LOL

[stip]

Yes, that's space chase was something special. Although Canto Bight really topped it.

As before, I'm not a fan of the canto bight chase at the end. That's the only real misfire in the movie (the rest of the stuff there is okay, and I get why it needs to be there, but it's clearly a notch below the rest of the film). But the space chase does work really well, because it's not about the chase. Basically all the events in the plot are character and theme driven. That long slow sequence is meant to:

-highlight the cruel arrogant overconfidence of Hux, Snoke, and the First Order (which is responsible for Snoke's ultimate death at Ren's hands)
-enhance the feeling of powerlessness that Poe feels
-make Holdo seem ineffectual so that we're rooting for Poe to betray her
-serve as a reminder of how hopelessly outclasses/outgunned the Resistance is, and convey a sense of inevitability and finality (even at the end of Jedi, when the Rebels are totally outgunned, they are still fighting back, there is still a chance, they still have the ability to act)
-the inevitability of the sequence is drawing attention to the gradual snuffing out of hope that Luke/Rey rekindle in the end.

[stip]

Also, as a general 'arguing about star wars on the internet' rule of thumb - if you start complaining about the physics of space battles not being realistic you've already lost.

[Anders]

Yes, that space chase was something special. Although Canto Bight really topped it.

As before, I'm not a fan of the canto bight chase at the end. That's the only real misfire in the movie (the rest of the stuff there is okay, and I get why it needs to be there, but it's clearly a notch below the rest of the film). But the space chase does work really well, because it's not about the chase. Basically all the events in the plot are character and theme driven. That long slow sequence is meant to:

-highlight the cruel arrogant overconfidence of Hux, Snoke, and the First Order (which is responsible for Snoke's ultimate death at Ren's hands)
-enhance the feeling of powerlessness that Poe feels
-make Holdo seem ineffectual so that we're rooting for Poe to betray her
-serve as a reminder of how hopelessly outclasses/outgunned the Resistance is, and convey a sense of inevitability and finality (even at the end of Jedi, when the Rebels are totally outgunned, they are still fighting back, there is still a chance, they still have the ability to act)
-the inevitability of the sequence is drawing attention to the gradual snuffing out of hope that Luke/Rey rekindle in the end.

But it mostly fails at doing those things. Instead it makes The First Order seem incompetent, as if there's plenty of options for the rebels to escape, and makes the movie overall seem at a loss of ideas.

[dimejinky99]

Also, as a general 'arguing about star wars on the internet' rule of thumb - if you start complaining about the physics of space battles not being realistic you've already lost.

Stip. have you watched the Director and the Jedi yet?
It’s fucking fantastic. Truly great. It has its own narrative and access all areas to a degree I couldn’t even believe. It’s brilliant

The Balance of the force mini doco punches way above its weight too.

Best making of features ever on a Star War

[stip]

not yet - probably will get to it next weekend. I've heard really good things about it

[dimejinky99]

not yet - probably will get to it next weekend. I've heard really good things about it

I can say with confidence you’re going to enjoy it more than TLJ itself.
Lotta people seem to be saying the same.
Ive watched it more than the movie at this point.

[stip]

Yes, that space chase was something special. Although Canto Bight really topped it.

As before, I'm not a fan of the canto bight chase at the end. That's the only real misfire in the movie (the rest of the stuff there is okay, and I get why it needs to be there, but it's clearly a notch below the rest of the film). But the space chase does work really well, because it's not about the chase. Basically all the events in the plot are character and theme driven. That long slow sequence is meant to:

-highlight the cruel arrogant overconfidence of Hux, Snoke, and the First Order (which is responsible for Snoke's ultimate death at Ren's hands)
-enhance the feeling of powerlessness that Poe feels
-make Holdo seem ineffectual so that we're rooting for Poe to betray her
-serve as a reminder of how hopelessly outclasses/outgunned the Resistance is, and convey a sense of inevitability and finality (even at the end of Jedi, when the Rebels are totally outgunned, they are still fighting back, there is still a chance, they still have the ability to act)
-the inevitability of the sequence is drawing attention to the gradual snuffing out of hope that Luke/Rey rekindle in the end.

But it mostly fails at doing those things. Instead it makes The First Order seem incompetent, as if there's plenty of options for the rebels to escape, and makes the movie overall seem at a loss of ideas.

If you feel that way fair enough. Just don't judge it by the standards of a 'chase' since that's what it is on only the most superficial of levels.

And the First Order is intended to look somewhat incompetent because

A: if it wasn't the movie would have been over from moment one
B: The reason WHY it is incompetent is extremely important. The First Order keeps screwing up because of the arrogance of its senior leadership (Snoke, Hux, and Kylo), or due to their own personal failings (which again, is why it's a character driven sequence). When you watch again, one thing to notice is that once Snoke dies and Hux is humbled and terrified (and because he knows Kylo won't put up with him) Hux actually becomes quite competent. The screw ups after Snoke's death are related to Kylo's obsession.

So again, it's not incompetence, it is arrogance, which is in line with the hubris associated with the Empire/First Order throughout the OT (it is all over the Battle of Endor, the throne room, and the space battle where the imperial fleet specifically chooses to not destroy the rebel fleet just so the emperor can toy with them).

[Anders]

I started with the cut out scenes. A few things they could have added there, but also some that were poor. But that is only natural.

[stip]

not yet - probably will get to it next weekend. I've heard really good things about it

I can say with confidence you’re going to enjoy it more than TLJ itself.
Lotta people seem to be saying the same.
Ive watched it more than the movie at this point.

TLJ is the pinnacle of what star wars can be for me (or the pinnacle of what it can be as an adult), so that's a tall order. But it doesn't have to be the best for me to thoroughly enjoy it

[Strat]

Yes, that space chase was something special. Although Canto Bight really topped it.

As before, I'm not a fan of the canto bight chase at the end. That's the only real misfire in the movie (the rest of the stuff there is okay, and I get why it needs to be there, but it's clearly a notch below the rest of the film). But the space chase does work really well, because it's not about the chase. Basically all the events in the plot are character and theme driven. That long slow sequence is meant to:

-highlight the cruel arrogant overconfidence of Hux, Snoke, and the First Order (which is responsible for Snoke's ultimate death at Ren's hands)
-enhance the feeling of powerlessness that Poe feels
-make Holdo seem ineffectual so that we're rooting for Poe to betray her
-serve as a reminder of how hopelessly outclasses/outgunned the Resistance is, and convey a sense of inevitability and finality (even at the end of Jedi, when the Rebels are totally outgunned, they are still fighting back, there is still a chance, they still have the ability to act)
-the inevitability of the sequence is drawing attention to the gradual snuffing out of hope that Luke/Rey rekindle in the end.

But it mostly fails at doing those things. Instead it makes The First Order seem incompetent, as if there's plenty of options for the rebels to escape, and makes the movie overall seem at a loss of ideas.

If you feel that way fair enough. Just don't judge it by the standards of a 'chase' since that's what it is on only the most superficial of levels.

And the First Order is intended to look somewhat incompetent because

A: if it wasn't the movie would have been over from moment one
B: The reason WHY it is incompetent is extremely important. The First Order keeps screwing up because of the arrogance of its senior leadership (Snoke, Hux, and Kylo), or due to their own personal failings (which again, is why it's a character driven sequence). When you watch again, one thing to notice is that once Snoke dies and Hux is humbled and terrified (and because he knows Kylo won't put up with him) Hux actually becomes quite competent. The screw ups after Snoke's death are related to Kylo's obsession.

So again, it's not incompetence, it is arrogance, which is in line with the hubris associated with the Empire/First Order throughout the OT (it is all over the Battle of Endor, the throne room, and the space battle where the imperial fleet specifically chooses to not destroy the rebel fleet just so the emperor can toy with them).

There is a level of incompetence but its part of their character arcs as well. In most star wars movies we generally see this growing into adulthood by our hero's and how they adapt to the challenges that the universe ends up placing on their shoulders. This time we are also seeing that play out in our villains. Kylo and Hux are young and inexperienced compared to Moff Tarkin, Darth Vader, palpataine etc...

These are all new entities that have risen from the fall of the OT. And I love it.

[dimejinky99]

I started with the cut out scenes. A few things they could have added there, but also some that were poor. But that is only natural.

There’s definitely a few should have stayed. luke mourning han.