Solo: A Star Wars Story (5/25/2018)

[blueviper]

I know people who were little kids when the prequels came out and they goddamn love those movies. Even Jar Jar. Lucas has said that these movies are for 12 year old kids.

Except OT for 12 year olds doesn’t insult their intelligence like the PT and ST

You can’t tell me the OT (save for some stuff in ROTJ) was specifically made for kids. A lot of adults liked them too. They are rare films that catered to both young and old without compromises.

[epilogue]

I know people who were little kids when the prequels came out and they goddamn love those movies. Even Jar Jar. Lucas has said that these movies are for 12 year old kids.

Except OT for 12 year olds doesn’t insult their intelligence like the PT and ST

You can’t tell me the OT (save for some stuff in ROTJ) was specifically made for kids. A lot of adults liked them too. They are rare films that catered to both young and old without compromises.

I'm only saying what Lucas said.

But to that end, my point is that if you were 12 now you'd likely feel about the ST the way you felt about the OT as a kid.

These new movies aren't insulting anyone's intelligence. You don't like them. I get it.

[epilogue]

This was a weird movie. Why did it have such a seemingly labored visual style that didn't match or enhance any of the narrative or thematic content? It almost struck me as McCabe & Mrs. Miller-esque: gray skies, white mountains, muddy browns, with a murky, almost faded look. Very weird, because the movie is not at all dark in tone or ambiguous in morality. Such an odd mix of elements.

This whole movie was pretty egregiously driven by fan service. Look, it's his blaster! Look, he's meeting Chewie! Look, it's the Falcon! Look, he's meeting Lando! Look, it's the Kessel run! Look, he's winning the Falcon fair and square! Look, we're referencing Bossk! Ugh. It's so grating and dumb. This barely even feels like a movie; it's just a stream of winks and jokes. The Marvelization of Star Wars is so depressing.

It also felt much faster and louder than any other SW movie. It never seems to stop moving, and the action is chaotic and relentless. It's exhausting. And it's not at all absorbing or atmospheric or interesting. The action is boooorrrrriiinnnnggggg. There is no passion for craftsmanship in this movie; that is DEATH in a blockbuster like this.

Emilia Clarke and Donald Glover were both laughable. Alden Ehrenreich's high-pitched voice was very distracting considering he's supposed to be a young Harrison Ford. Darth Maul was totally fucking ruined and I don't want to see what they were planning on doing with him in future movies (The LAST THING I want from Maul is for him to be fucking chatty. Ugh. The whole point was that he was a cool image whose mystery was enhanced by his icy silence. Now he just seems like a lame, milquetoast villain.). Igniting his lightsaber elicited a laugh and eye-roll from me. Soooooo dumbbbbb. Lando fucking SJWbot was also soooo dummmbbbb.

This movie was bad.

I pretty much agree with all of this. It’s a shame that Star Wars has dropped in quality.

Some comment on a YouTube video summed it up nicely, talking about the build up to Solo. I’m paraphrasing here, but it’s basically “People want us to lower our expectations for this movie, when in actuality we are lowering our standards.”

Oh Jesus! What the fuck standards are you holding these movies to?

[Strat]

insulting your intelligence. Oof.

Geezes. Back off the Star Wars. Put the star wars down.

[epilogue]

This is all so completely absurd. I liked Solo well enough but nothing is worth all of this.

[blueviper]

The OT set the bar for sci-fi (or sci fantasy, whatever you want to call it) movies. It was a blockbuster trilogy that was a benchmark for future blockbusters.

When I watched the PT and now the ST, they don’t meet this benchmark. That’s fine. In the grand scheme of things it’s inconsequential. It doesn’t matter. I’m just offering my opinion on that matter, just like you guys are stating your opinions.

And trust me, SW is not the most important thing in my life anymore. I just enjoy the back and forth of the forum for this hotly debated movie franchise.

[LoathedVermin72]

This is all so completely absurd. I liked Solo well enough but nothing is worth all of this.

I legitimately don’t understand like half of what you’re posting in this thread

[Strat]

The OT set the bar for sci-fi (or sci fantasy, whatever you want to call it) movies. It was a blockbuster trilogy that was a benchmark for future blockbusters.

When I watched the PT and now the ST, they don’t meet this benchmark. That’s fine. In the grand scheme of things it’s inconsequential. It doesn’t matter. I’m just offering my opinion on that matter, just like you guys are stating your opinions.

And trust me, SW is not the most important thing in my life anymore. I just enjoy the back and forth of the forum for this hotly debated movie franchise.

yea but you make statements like "insults my intelligence" or just recently you insinuated this insults the intelligence of current 12 year olds? I read your statement 800 times and i can't completely wrap my head around it.

"Except OT for 12 year olds doesn’t insult their intelligence like the PT and ST"

Explain this to me. Please. Im sorry you didnt like it. The people that enjoy the movies (me, dime, dct) aren't stating equivalent commentary about the movies. That comment above reads to me as if you are saying that the sequel trilogies are insulting the 12 year olds intelligence. That is so ridiculously emotional I can't wrap my head around it. It is the exact opposite of fanboyism which is the same intense emotional reaction that see's no clarity. My nephew fucking loves these movies. So is he dumb? as an 11 year old does he lack a certain intellectual maturity since he doesnt feel it is "insulting his intelligence"

Look, you dont like it. Thats totally fine. None of us fanboys (Except maybe dime when he's had a couple drinks) are insulting your intelligence for not liking these movies. But to have such a reaction to these films that seem to have robbed you have your childhood or insulted you in such a way just doesnt seem very.....healthy?

Hate these movies all you want. Seriously. I get why someone wouldnt like these movies but to read some of the responses about why just makes me laugh.

LV's commentary on Solo and why he hated it were fantastic and illuminated a lot of things I didnt like about it. That is a healthy reaction to a film. But insulting intelligence? Geezes. That is more of an emotional shit storm on the other spectrum than what we accuse dime of.

[dimejinky99]

Leave me outta this. I enjoyed the hell outta this one and I’m not interested in arguing about it or putting anyone down or insisting they’re somehow wrong for not liking it.
Some people seem to want different things and even seem to hold these films to some weird unattainable standard and the goal posts keep getting moved too. If we’re determined to hate or love something, often before we’ve even seen it, it has a knock on effect I think.
Across the board and not just on here, it seems there’s a lotta people that actively want to hate these films and also seem to be crusading about it. I find that really pointless but hey it’s the internet. All it achieves is shutting down of conversation for those that did like em. I guess that could be the goal too. Who knows.

[dimejinky99]

Well now I’m even more confused

[epilogue]

The OT set the bar for sci-fi (or sci fantasy, whatever you want to call it) movies. It was a blockbuster trilogy that was a benchmark for future blockbusters.

When I watched the PT and now the ST, they don’t meet this benchmark. That’s fine. In the grand scheme of things it’s inconsequential. It doesn’t matter. I’m just offering my opinion on that matter, just like you guys are stating your opinions.

And trust me, SW is not the most important thing in my life anymore. I just enjoy the back and forth of the forum for this hotly debated movie franchise.

[epilogue]

This is all so completely absurd. I liked Solo well enough but nothing is worth all of this.

I legitimately don’t understand like half of what you’re posting in this thread

I don't believe that for one second.

[epilogue]

Well now I’m even more confused

Why? I think that tracks.

[stip]

I know people who were little kids when the prequels came out and they goddamn love those movies. Even Jar Jar. Lucas has said that these movies are for 12 year old kids.

Except OT for 12 year olds doesn’t insult their intelligence like the PT and ST

You can’t tell me the OT (save for some stuff in ROTJ) was specifically made for kids. A lot of adults liked them too. They are rare films that catered to both young and old without compromises.

the ST deals with themes and ideas that dwarf the OT - which are magnificent movies but not particularly challenging from those perspectives.

[stip]

and are you suggesting that the new films are made specifically for kids? all these movies have always been intended for all ages, with elements intended for everyone.

[wease]

Well now I’m even more confused

Why? I think that tracks.

Yeah, I can see this working for only the prologues.

[VinylGuy]

Oh yeah that was Thandie Newton, huh? Lol

Wow that was her? She looks different.

Don't care though.

True story; she will be in Cannes this year, so if see her i will tell her all of this.

She will be hurt.

[epilogue]

and are you suggesting that the new films are made specifically for kids? all these movies have always been intended for all ages, with elements intended for everyone.

Not at all what I'm suggesting. I agree that there are elements intended for everyone, 100%.

I was merely paraphrasing George Lucas himself, who claims that he imagined, from the beginning, his ideal audience -- the reason HE claims he made the movies -- was young boys and girls on the cusp of adulthood. He wanted to make moral tales to help those kids identify, think about, and deal with some of the larger issues they would one day face as adults. As a result, yes, there are plenty of themes for adults that are beyond young children. They aren't merely (as LV would say) a bunch of kids movies. I don't think anyone is saying that.

[LoathedVermin72]

and are you suggesting that the new films are made specifically for kids? all these movies have always been intended for all ages, with elements intended for everyone.

Not at all what I'm suggesting. I agree that there are elements intended for everyone, 100%.

I was merely paraphrasing George Lucas himself, who claims that he imagined, from the beginning, his ideal audience -- the reason HE claims he made the movies -- was young boys and girls on the cusp of adulthood. He wanted to make moral tales to help those kids identify, think about, and deal with some of the larger issues they would one day face as adults. As a result, yes, there are plenty of themes for adults that are beyond young children. They aren't merely (as LV would say) a bunch of kids movies. I don't think anyone is saying that.

you know damn well i wouldnt say theyre kids movies!!!!!

[epilogue]

and are you suggesting that the new films are made specifically for kids? all these movies have always been intended for all ages, with elements intended for everyone.

Not at all what I'm suggesting. I agree that there are elements intended for everyone, 100%.

I was merely paraphrasing George Lucas himself, who claims that he imagined, from the beginning, his ideal audience -- the reason HE claims he made the movies -- was young boys and girls on the cusp of adulthood. He wanted to make moral tales to help those kids identify, think about, and deal with some of the larger issues they would one day face as adults. As a result, yes, there are plenty of themes for adults that are beyond young children. They aren't merely (as LV would say) a bunch of kids movies. I don't think anyone is saying that.

you know damn well i wouldnt say theyre kids movies!!!!!

ohmyjesus. Do you even read my posts?