THE NU METAL/POST-GRUNGE DEATHMATCH XTREME - CHOP SUEY! WINS

[Jorge]

Okay, yay/nay inclusion opinions please:

Hoobastank - The Reason
Linkin Park - Breaking the Habit
More Static-X songs
The Union Underground - Turn Me on Mr. Deadman

Against, against, dunno, dunno

[Jammer XCI]

Okay, yay/nay inclusion opinions please:

Hoobastank - The Reason
Linkin Park - Breaking the Habit
More Static-X songs
The Union Underground - Turn Me on Mr. Deadman

Against
Against (maybe replace with something from Reanimation)
For
Against (unless you want to add in more D list also-rans like Dope, Primer 55, American Head Charge, etc.)

[Kaius]

I have a really hard time seeing either “Freak on a Leash” or “Got the Life” finishing outside of the final four.

[Kaius]

Also, I know we have enough Korn and Limp Bizkit songs already, but “All in the Family” is way too awful-good to exclude. The scream-off and nu-metal rap battle with a slew of dated homophobic slurs is to die for.

[Kaius]

Wait—“N 2 Together Now” is missing.

[Jammer XCI]

I have a really hard time seeing either “Freak on a Leash” or “Got the Life” finishing outside of the final four.

Here to Stay and Falling Away From Me > those 2

[i got bugs]

Is shimmer is in, it should win the whole thing

I goddamn LOVE that song. For so many reasons.

Me too man.. I like a lot of fuel stuff actually..

It has no shot of winning tho probably haha but I'll vote for it over whatever

[LoathedVermin72]

I have a really hard time seeing either “Freak on a Leash” or “Got the Life” finishing outside of the final four.

Here to Stay and Falling Away From Me > those 2

My favorite Korn song (Alive) isn’t even in this

[i got bugs]

Closure is the best Chevelle song

[E.H. Ruddock]

LV, you want this thread in the tourney sub forum?

[LoathedVermin72]

LV, you want this thread in the tourney sub forum?

Yes, please!

[Jammer XCI]

Closure is the best Chevelle song

My favorite Chevelle song is actually from their 2014 album, it’s called An Island and that shit slaps hard.

They actually got better over time compared to most nu metal/post grunge, but their most recent album was a hard downgrade to nu metal revival.

[BurtReynolds]

I liked the one with the Tool video

[LoathedVermin72]

Added:
Saliva - Your Disease
Static-X - I'm with Stupid
Static-X - The Only

Removed:
Linkin Park - Breaking the Habit
The Union Underground - Turn Me on Mr. Deadman

Considering adding:
Adema - The Way You Like It
Fear Factory - Linchpin

Thoughts on these two?

Other thoughts:
"All in the Family" is not a particularly popular Korn song, and thus I'm not including it.

I don't think "N 2 Gether Now" is necessary. We already have a ton of Limp Bizkit. Also, this is basically just hip-hop. There aren't really any rock elements.

[Anders]

Brother Cane, Days Of The New, Big Wreck, I Mother Earth, Lifehouse, Matthew Good Band, Our Lady Peace, Silverchair, Sister Hazel, Tonic, Chevelle, Everclear, Vertical Horizon, The Verve Pipe, The Mayfield Four.

[Kevin Davis]

I am curious about bands like Bush and Silverchair -- those second-wave grunge bands were what I thought of as "post grunge" for a long time; to my ears those bands are much more directly descendants of Nirvana than Creed/Staind/etc. were of Pearl Jam or AIC, which apart from blatantly aping the most cartoonish elements of those bands' vocal styles never really had a whole lot in common with them musically.

I mean, that stuff is clearly of a different aesthetic than the stuff on this list, I'm just wondering about the terminologies.

[Kevin Davis]

Everclear always seemed more on the punky-poppy side to me, though like most mainstream rock circa 1995 their music had grungy flavors to it. I still really like some of their stuff -- Art Alexakis was a good songwriter, with an eye for detail that eluded a lot of his peers. Bands like Our Lady Peace, Sponge, etc., and then bands like Tonic, Lifehouse, etc. a few years later -- those just feel like middle-of-the-road alternative rock bands to me, too plain imagewise for any of the more aesthetically-centered subgenres while still remaining susceptible in varying degrees to the sonic tropes of the time (that Lifehouse guy does an even worse EV voice than Scott Stapp).

The first few truly "post-grunge" years were kind of a lost era for mainstream rock music -- there definitely seemed to be a lot of bands trying to keep the musical spirit of the early '90's intact while attempting to put some distance between themselves and some of the dark, angsty stereotypes, which by that point had pretty clearly proven themselves to be stops on a road to ruin. There were a lot of one-hit/one-album wonders during this time, perhaps no more than at other times in history but the lack of a band or group of bands leading the charge made it feel particularly conspicuous. Nothing felt like a "movement"; everything felt singular enough, but only enough. At no point did it seem like anyone was onto something special. It just seemed like a time when anything could get popular.

The stuff that seems to comprise the universally agreed-upon definition for post-grunge seemed like it became the new normal around 1999 or 2000. While none of it is all that different in practice, spiritually it's the complete reverse of the stuff that managed to get popular from 1995-1998 or so -- rather than move away from the stereotypes of grunge, it embraced only the stereotypes of grunge, with none of the elements of personality that made each of those bands weirdly singular musical entities unto themselves even absent their affiliation with a movement. That post-grunge and nu-metal were concurrent mainstream genres doesn't seem accidental -- they're different avenues to and catharses for the same emotions. On the rare occasion that I find myself tuned into modern rock radio even now, I still feel like it's some confluence of post-grunge and nu-metal that I hear (the most recent mainstream rock I heard was a group called Pop-Evil, and it sounded pretty much to me like the bands in this contest sound). Above ground, I'm not sure there's been a major aesthetic change to rock music since the post-grunge/nu-metal thing -- has there? Of course it could always just be a central Illinois thing too -- being Mudvayne country and all, we struggle to shake off the things that have worked for us in the past.

[doone]

Big Wreck, I Mother Earth, Lifehouse, Matthew Good Band, Our Lady Peace, Silverchair, Sister Hazel, Tonic, Chevelle, Everclear, Vertical Horizon, The Verve Pipe

I'd say none of these are NU metal. I don't recall the others. Especially the Canadian bands, nothing metal about them.

[Jammer XCI]

I mean if you’re gonna add Fear Factory you gotta do New Breed, Demanufacture and Shock before Linchpin.

Do not agree with adding all that Canadian shit. Our Lady Peace was awesome back then, but way different sound compared to this tourney. Same goes for Big Wreck’s Soundgarden tribute band act.

[doone]

Same goes for Big Wreck’s Soundgarden tribute band act.

Hey now! It's not his fault he has a big voice like Chris, but Big Wreck has never tried to be Soundgarden on their records. They may have covered a few songs live but I haven't seen them perform since the late 90's.