Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

[dimejinky99]

They moved kylos scar from his duel with Rey ever so slightly. And fandom lost it’s mind over that.
If he means physical make up.

If it’s something else it’s not coming to me right now

[dimejinky99]

Saw someone somewhere saying that the fact that people are still debating this film andwith No sign of slowdown, shows that it will stand the test of time and eventually be seen as one of the best.

Personally already know tons of people who really have done 180s on it after seeing it at home on Netflix.

[stip]

It is a genuinely challenging film in the way that it subverts genre expectations and doesn't make easy choices. But I think pretty much everything it does is faithful to the mythos and the characters. It creates some new themes and revitalizes old ones without simply recycling them .

Not everyone is going to come around on this film. If you genuinely don't like someone's performance, don't enjoy the humor, don't find the set pieces thrilling, then that may not change. If you've ever used Star Wars and SJW unironically in the same sentence then there's no hope for you (in so many ways). But if you're someone whose initial reactions were colored by the way in which the film was challenging (and you've made arguments about character motivations, poor writing, inconsistent, etc) then it's likely to open up over time.

That's not unique to Star Wars in any way (and while I was on board with TLJ from jump there are no shortage of examples in my own life with music, movies, etc where I came around to love or respect things I initially took issue with because it wasn't what I wanted or expected. We all experience this). On RM there is no better example of that then Riot Act - an album that played against type and expectations when it was released, and disappointed a lot of people, many of whom came back around once they had the opportunity to engage the album on its own terms

[dimejinky99]

Drivers a good guy

[dimejinky99]

Apparently Rian Johnson earlier confirmed this. That is actually a Darth Vader shampoo bottle in that scene.

Perhaps he is just Fucking with us

[epilogue]

It is a genuinely challenging film in the way that it subverts genre expectations and doesn't make easy choices. But I think pretty much everything it does is faithful to the mythos and the characters. It creates some new themes and revitalizes old ones without simply recycling them .

Not everyone is going to come around on this film. If you genuinely don't like someone's performance, don't enjoy the humor, don't find the set pieces thrilling, then that may not change. If you've ever used Star Wars and SJW unironically in the same sentence then there's no hope for you (in so many ways). But if you're someone whose initial reactions were colored by the way in which the film was challenging (and you've made arguments about character motivations, poor writing, inconsistent, etc) then it's likely to open up over time.

That's not unique to Star Wars in any way (and while I was on board with TLJ from jump there are no shortage of examples in my own life with music, movies, etc where I came around to love or respect things I initially took issue with because it wasn't what I wanted or expected. We all experience this). On RM there is no better example of that then Riot Act - an album that played against type and expectations when it was released, and disappointed a lot of people, many of whom came back around once they had the opportunity to engage the album on its own terms

I was already thinking of Riot Act as an example before I got to the end of your last paragraph. So glad you mentioned it. Oh, and well put, as usual.

[epilogue]

Apparently Rian Johnson earlier confirmed this. That is actually a Darth Vader shampoo bottle in that scene.

Perhaps he is just Fucking with us

Don't care if he's fucking around or not. It's officially head canon now, forever and always.

[dimejinky99]

Stip and DcT will particularly enjoy this

This Star Wars Analysis Will End the Debate About Luke Skywalker's Character in The Last Jedi
Sorry haters.

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/m ... -analysis/

[B]

Apparently Rian Johnson earlier confirmed this. That is actually a Darth Vader shampoo bottle in that scene.

Perhaps he is just Fucking with us

I had that shampoo bottle and several others. After I used up the shampoo, my mom used to fill them back up with whatever generic shampoo we used normally.

[dimejinky99]

Apparently Rian Johnson earlier confirmed this. That is actually a Darth Vader shampoo bottle in that scene.

Perhaps he is just Fucking with us

I had that shampoo bottle and several others. After I used up the shampoo, my mom used to fill them back up with whatever generic shampoo we used normally.

Really?? That’s a good mom

[epilogue]

Stip and DcT will particularly enjoy this

This Star Wars Analysis Will End the Debate About Luke Skywalker's Character in The Last Jedi
Sorry haters.

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/m ... -analysis/

I've had this very conversation with real life friends. It's amazing how people cling to what they think they know and will not listen to any alternative. Couple this with all the stuff the TLJ supports have long said about Jedi going into exile, even a powerful Jedi like Yoda, and it's easy to see the consistent straight line Rian drew and understand why Luke's story is so epic and profound.

The Last Jedi is such a brilliant film. There's a strong chance it could become my all time favorite Star Wars film. It's still just a bit to early for me to make that call. I've lived with Empire so much longer and it's stood the test of time.

[dimejinky99]

It’s fuckin bizarre to me people don’t get that. He doesn’t decide he’s beaten Vader. He realises he’s about to become him and fall to the dark so he stops.

It’s sooooo completely baffling people could see it any other way.

But the tweet thread quoted in the article, I’ve been following it all week and yep. Those people are out there. In numbers. And REFUSE to see the reality of that in ROTJ and the through line into TLJ.

People man....uuuuggggghhhhhhh


But yeah. I reckon you’re gonna see it be your favourite. And mine maybe. It’s far braver and far more complex and rewarding than empire. I can say that much now. It’s our life long love of empire that needs to make peace with the idea this one might just be better overall.

[dimejinky99]

awww. Take a couple of minutes n watch this. This kid gets it

[Strat]

It’s fuckin bizarre to me people don’t get that. He doesn’t decide he’s beaten Vader. He realises he’s about to become him and fall to the dark so he stops.

It’s sooooo completely baffling people could see it any other way.

But the tweet thread quoted in the article, I’ve been following it all week and yep. Those people are out there. In numbers. And REFUSE to see the reality of that in ROTJ and the through line into TLJ.

People man....uuuuggggghhhhhhh


But yeah. I reckon you’re gonna see it be your favourite. And mine maybe. It’s far braver and far more complex and rewarding than empire. I can say that much now. It’s our life long love of empire that needs to make peace with the idea this one might just be better overall.

"Luke’s arc in the original trilogy ends with him not only refusing to kill the bad guy, but refusing to even fight a worse villain. This is why Luke’s force projection standoff with Kylo in The Last Jedi is so perfect. It's the ultimate expression of everything Luke has learned"

Boom. Absolute perfection.

[Anders]

Palpatine: Welcome, young Skywalker, I have been expecting you. You no longer need those. [uses the Force to detach Luke's cuffs] Guards, leave us. [the Emperor's guards leave the room] I'm looking forward to completing your training. In time, you will call me "Master".
Luke: You're gravely mistaken. You won't convert me as you did my father.
Palpatine: Oh no, my young Jedi. You will find that it is you who are mistaken, about a great many things.
Vader: [hands Luke's lightsaber to Palpatine] His lightsaber.
Palpatine: Ah, yes, a Jedi's weapon, much like your father's. By now you must know that your father can never be turned from the dark side. So will it be with you.
Luke: You're wrong. Soon I'll be dead, and you with me.
Palpatine: [laughing] Perhaps you refer to the imminent attack of your Rebel fleet? Yes; I assure you, we are quite safe from your friends here.
Luke: Your overconfidence is your weakness.
Palpatine: [looks back at Luke] Your faith in your friends is yours.
Vader: It is pointless to resist, my son.
Palpatine: Everything that has transpired has done so, according to my design. Your friends, out there on the sanctuary moon, are walking into a trap, as is your Rebel fleet. It was I who allowed the Alliance to know the location of the shield generator. It is quite safe from your pitiful little band. An entire legion of my best troops awaits them. [mockingly] Oh, I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive.


Vader: [searching for Luke in Palpatine's chamber] You cannot hide forever, Luke.
Luke: I will not fight you.
Vader: Give yourself to the dark side. It is the only way you can save your friends. Yes, your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong. Especially for... [pauses] Sister. So, you have a twin sister. Your feelings have now betrayed her too. Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure is complete. If you will not turn to the dark side, then perhaps she will.
Luke: [revealing himself] NEVER! [attacks Vader ferociously, eventually backing him onto a railing and cutting off his right hand. He stands over Vader for a moment.]
Palpatine: [laughing] Good! Your hate has made you powerful. Now, fulfill your destiny and take your father's place at my side.
Luke: [looks at Vader's severed hand, then turns to face the Emperor, throwing away his lightsaber] Never. I'll never turn to the Dark Side. You have failed, Your Highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me.
Palpatine: [angrily] So be it... Jedi.


[Luke refuses to give in to Palpatine's demands and disarms himself.]
Palpatine: [raising his hands toward Luke] If you will not be turned, you will be destroyed. [Fires lightning bolts at Luke, causing him to fall to the floor in agony. Darth Vader gets up and stands next to Palpatine, watching.] Young fool. Only now, at the end, do you understand. [shoots another round of lightning] Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the Dark Side! You have paid the price for your lack of vision. [continues shooting lightning]
Luke: [writhing in agony] Father, please! Help me!
Palpatine: Now, young Skywalker... you will die. [intensifies lightning blasts]
Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker: [looks back and forth at Luke and Palpatine] No. NOOOOOO!! [grabs Palpatine from behind and throws him down into the reactor shaft]

[Anders]

Luke never struck me as being close to turning to the dark side in ROTJ, but he was right to be fearful of it. He didn't fight the Emperor himself, because he knew it could lead to the dark side, and besides it would probably be a losing fight at that point. He spares his father out of love and hope, not out of honour. He also sensed doubt in his father, and in the end the help from his father is what saved him.

[Strat]

Luke never struck me as being close to turning to the dark side in ROTJ, but he was right to be fearful of it. He didn't fight the Emperor himself, because he knew it could lead to the dark side, and besides it would probably be a losing fight at that point. He spares his father out of love and hope, not out of honour. He also sensed doubt in his father, and in the end the help from his father is what saved him.

Watch it again. Watch Luke hammer away and almost destroy vader. See the look on his face.

Yea, he's about to turn.

[stip]

Luke never struck me as being close to turning to the dark side in ROTJ, but he was right to be fearful of it. He didn't fight the Emperor himself, because he knew it could lead to the dark side, and besides it would probably be a losing fight at that point. He spares his father out of love and hope, not out of honour. He also sensed doubt in his father, and in the end the help from his father is what saved him.

except the whole thing is framed as a test. luke went to save his father but it quickly turns into a battle for his soul - that’s why his victory is the emperor’s failure, which the emperor acknowledges.

[B]

Luke starts RotJ force choking bitches and slaughtering a literal boatload of people, and you're not sure if he was flirting with the dark side or not?

[epilogue]

Luke starts RotJ force choking bitches and slaughtering a literal boatload of people, and you're not sure if he was flirting with the dark side or not?

aw huh