Demos

[Kevin Davis]

How many Pearl Jam demos circulate? I see references to random ones on occasion and I don't know that I've heard any of them. What all is out there?

Gossman
The King (Evenflow)
Dollar Short (Alive)
Richard's "E" (Alone)
? (Wreak of Edmunds Fitzgerald)
Weird "A" (Animal)
7-Up
Doobie "E"
Agytian Crave
Times of Trouble (Footsteps)
Evil "E" (Girl)
Folk "D"

Ten Redux
Alive
Once
Footsteps
Just A Girl
Breath and a Scream
State of Love and Trust
Evil Little Goat
2,000 Mile Blues

Vs./Vitalogy
Hold On (demo)
Cready Stomp
Betterman (guitar/organ)
Corduroy (alt. take)
Nothingman (demo)
Elderly Woman (acoustic demo)

Yield
Small Mosquito
Given to Fly (Instrumental)

Rarities Unreleased Cuts

Binaural
Of The Girl (Instrumental)
Nothing As It Seems

Riot Act
In The Moonlight
You Are
Get Right

Man of the Hour

Pearl Jam
Cold Confession
Let It Ride

Backspacer
Speed of Sound
Need to Know (The Fixer)

PJ20
Chinese
Acoustic no1
It Ain't Like That

[Norah]

There's a bunch on gremmie, as much as I fucking hate that site.

[Sgt. Crackpot]

A good resource is http://www.gremmie.net/. Say goodbye to many, many hours of productive work time while you adventure through demo country.

[LetMeSleep]

And let's be clear on the definition of Demo too. Gremmie are muppets in that regard. A rough mix is not a demo.

[Norah]

And let's be clear on the definition of Demo too. Gremmie are muppets in that regard. A rough mix is not a demo.

Gremmie is just an all around irresponsible audio archive.

[Birds in Hell]

There's only very few legitimate demos circulating: the pre-Ten recordings (the instrumental "Gossman Project" tape, the Mamason demo, the "First Week Rehearsals" demo recording), the Nothingman demo from the Vitalogy reissue and Ed's solo Man of the Hour, Gone and Speed of Sound demos off the top of my head.

My disdain for Gremmie is well-documented but, as has already been mentioned, virtually none of what they refer to as a demo actually is what's normally considered to be a demo.

[Thejambi]

They admit to mislabeling "demos". Why so much hate for them? Just curious.

[Norah]

They admit to mislabeling "demos". Why so much hate for them? Just curious.

He does stuff like takes audience recordings, converts to MP3, and then hosts on his own site. No credit to the taper or source info for the listener. I've downloaded random shit from there that has been shitty quality, wouldn't be surprised if he transcodes too. It's just sloppy work, and he's popular enough that when you ask for a recording that he has people just say "go to gremmie" and it's harder to find the legit stuff.

[Norah]

At least I thought he did that with the London show from this year. I don't see it on his site now though.

[Norah]

Yeah, he has MSG 98 at a shitty bitrate with no source info. I hadn't been here in a while but this is why. That shit pisses me off.

[Norah]

The way I see it, Gremmie aspires to be a leading internet source for Pearl Jam material. Essential shows, "demos", one off covers, etc, etc, etc. If you're going to be that, you need to be thorough and responsible. Not everyone cares, I get that, but if you're going to be a leading source and you put out crap you end up pushing the good stuff into the background.

[Norah]

Oh yeah, the "basement". That's where the London show is.

[Birds in Hell]

What he said.

[Norah]

I downloaded MSG 98 and looked at the first track. 160kbs. Seriously.

[Strat]

Are you guys going to be okay?

[Norah]

Sorry, I kind of lost it there for a minute. I'm good now.

[Strat]

Sorry, I kind of lost it there for a minute. I'm good now.

No worries, you're doing great!

[Sgt. Crackpot]

Chud, have a snickers.

[spike]

you dickheads don't realize how good you have it when it comes to scrounging for pearl jam audio.

[Thejambi]

The way I see it, Gremmie aspires to be a leading internet source for Pearl Jam material. Essential shows, "demos", one off covers, etc, etc, etc. If you're going to be that, you need to be thorough and responsible. Not everyone cares, I get that, but if you're going to be a leading source and you put out crap you end up pushing the good stuff into the background.

I can respect that.