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Nice summary of how the Dossier claims fit with what we now know (spoiler: it’s short on the phrase “has since been proven false”).

Contacts between Trump's team and Russians
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The dossier contains allegations against several of Trump's campaign officials and associates of having secret contacts with Russians during the campaign. Steele's raw intelligence reports cited unnamed sources alleging these communications were part of a widespread effort to collude on the election and secure the White House for Trump.

When the memos spilled into public view, Trump and at least five other senior administration officials denied in emphatic and often sweeping terms that anyone involved in the campaign was in contact with Russians. But in the two years since those denials were issued, news reports and court filings revealed that at least 16 Trump associates had contacts with Russians during the campaign or transition.

Steele's memos lay out specific meetings that haven't been corroborated. But his claim that there was regular contact between Trump's campaign and Russians has held up over time. When he wrote his memos in 2016, hardly any of these contacts were publicly known. They have since been revealed in Mueller's court filings, countless news reports and testimony on Capitol Hill.

Trump and his associates who were named in the dossier continue to vehemently deny any collusion.
Russian meddling in the 2016 election
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While Trump and his supporters have seized on the most salacious, uncorroborated claims to discredit the dossier as a "pile of garbage," much of Steele's memos focused on Russia's role interfering in the 2016 election. Steele's intelligence memos detail a pattern and preference for Trump that have since been confirmed by the US intelligence community and indictments against Russians brought by Mueller's investigation.

Steele, a former MI6 intelligence operative, has a history of working with US agencies, including the FBI, and helped with the corruption investigation into FIFA, the world soccer governing body. Steele's dossier eventually made its way to the FBI, which cross-referenced Steele's work with its own burgeoning investigation into Russian meddling.

Written in the midst of the campaign, Steele's memos contained allegations that Russia was waging a broad effort to interfere, and Russian President Vladimir Putin was personally involved in the effort, motivated by his "fear and hatred" of Clinton. That assertion is now accepted as fact by the US intelligence community and Trump's handpicked intelligence leaders, though Trump himself has refused to unequivocally accept the conclusion that Putin was trying to help him.

The dossier said that the hacks against Democrats, which were publicly released by WikiLeaks during the 2016 campaign, were part of a wider Russian hacking effort. That has since been confirmed in Mueller's court filings, and last year, the special counsel indicted a dozen Russian intelligence agents in connection with the hacks.

The dossier also noted efforts from the Russian government to exploit political divisions within the US and the Democratic Party after the bruising primary fight between Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders. A separate Mueller indictment dealt with disinformation efforts by a Kremlin-linked troll farm that played on those divisions. Since the 2016 election, social media companies have pulled thousands of accounts tied to Russia.
Trump's real estate dealings in Russia
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The dossier claimed that the Russians tried to influence Trump by offering him "sweetener" real estate deals, in hopes of drawing him closer to Moscow. The specific details about these purported deals haven't been corroborated, but the dossier said Trump declined these offers.

Throughout the campaign, Trump said he had "nothing to do with Russia." When the dossier was first published, there wasn't any indication that Trump's company was involved in Russia beyond the Miss Universe pageant that he hosted in Moscow in 2013.

But it recently became public knowledge that Trump pursued a lucrative project in Moscow deep into the 2016 campaign, and that his then-attorney Michael Cohen sought help from the Kremlin to move the project along. Cohen admitted these shocking details when he pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about the Trump Tower Moscow proposal, which never came to fruition.

Steele's sources were right that Trump had recently explored business dealings in Russia. And his suggestion that it could be linked to the election has also been made by Mueller's team. In court fillings, the special counsel said that the proposal "likely required" help from the Kremlin and highlighted how it overlapped with "sustained efforts" by the Russians to influence the election.
Potential Russian leverage on Trump
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The most sensational claim in the dossier memos is that Trump was involved with prostitutes while he stayed at The Ritz-Carlton in Moscow during his trip there for the 2013 Miss Universe pageant — and that the Russians had this blackmail, or kompromat, on Trump.

Nothing has come to light to corroborate that allegation, and Trump has denied that it happened. "Does anyone really believe that story?" Trump said in January 2017. "I'm also very much of a germaphobe."

Keith Schiller, who worked for years as Trump's body man and accompanied Trump on the 2013 trip, told the House Intelligence Committee that the allegations were false. But he also testified that he was offered five women to send to Trump's hotel room -- an offer he says he rejected and perceived as a joke, according to the GOP House Intelligence Committee Russia investigation report.

But not all leverage needs to be salacious in nature. The dossier included claims that Russian intelligence had compromising financial information about Trump.

Cohen's guilty plea in November revealed that he had a phone call with a Kremlin aide in 2016 about the Trump Tower Moscow project. While Trump publicly said his business had no Russian ties, the Kremlin knew about the Moscow deal and could have revealed it at any time, theoretically even with recordings of the Cohen call.
Michael Cohen's alleged trip to Prague
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There still isn't any public evidence to confirm the explosive claim from the dossier that Cohen secretly met Russian officials in Prague to coordinate Kremlin interference in the election and do damage control if the alleged collusion was exposed or if Clinton won.

Last year, Cohen's lawyer at the time told the House Intelligence Committee that his client "has never traveled to Prague, Czech Republic, as evidenced by his US passport" and that Cohen "did not participate in meetings of any kind with Kremlin officials in Prague in August 2016."

Cohen repeated his blanket denials in recent weeks.

He has cooperated with Mueller, and prosecutors said in a court filing he provided "useful information concerning certain discrete Russia-related matters core to its investigation." Cohen says he has shared "everything" with Mueller and that the Prague claims are false.
Michael Flynn's paid trip to Moscow
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Another allegation that's proven true: Steele's sources noted that the Russian government had indirectly paid Michael Flynn to travel to Moscow, a reference to his attendance at a 2015 gala honoring the state-run broadcaster RT.

Flynn, who later advised Trump's campaign and was briefly Trump's national security adviser, denied during the campaign that he received any payments from Russia.

But a bipartisan inquiry by the House Oversight Committee in early 2017 revealed Flynn was paid more than $33,000 by the Kremlin-funded network to attend the black-tie event and participate in a question-and-answer session.

2016 Green Party nominee Jill Stein also attended the event and was seated at the same table as Flynn and Putin. The dossier said Stein was similarly paid to participate, and the Senate Intelligence Committee is looking into her Russian ties. She denies accepting any payments.
Carter Page's meetings with Russians
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The dossier prominently features Carter Page, a foreign policy adviser to Trump's campaign. Declassified documents revealed that the FBI and Justice Department in 2016 used information from the dossier -- and other evidence that is still secret -- to convince federal judges to approve a foreign surveillance warrant on Page. The warrant, which included evidence that remains classified explaining what the surveillance had revealed, was renewed three times into 2017.

Page traveled to Russia in July 2016 for what he said was a personal trip. Steele wrote that Page met the president of Rosneft, a state-run oil company, and discussed a potential deal for Trump to lift US sanctions in exchange for future energy cooperation between the two countries. Steele's intelligence on Page's visit also includes sources claiming the Russians raised the prospect of political dirt with Page, dirt they had on both Clinton and Trump.

No public evidence has emerged to support these allegations, and Page has denied meeting with the president of Rosneft in dozens of interviews. But under questioning by the House Intelligence Committee behind closed doors, Page admitted that he met a different official from Rosneft during the trip.

Page said he spoke with Andrey Baranov, Rosneft's head of investor relations. But he said he doesn't recall any conversation with Baranov about sanctions. They made plans to meet up, Page said, because they were friends when he worked in Russia as an energy consultant.

The Russian government owns a majority stake in Rosneft. The US Treasury Department sanctioned the company and its president after Russia annexed Crimea in 2014. Trump hasn't eased sanctions on Rosneft, and his administration has placed new sanctions on Russians.
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Simple Torture wrote:There are at least **some** rumblings that the major networks are not sure yet whether they will cover this address:
I always appreciate a “let’s remind ourselves how crazy this has become” statement:
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It will never not blow my mind that millions of people watch this shit and think “This is what news looks like.”
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...farm net income also declined about 27 percent in 2017 from the prior year. Farmers are making 40 percent of what they made in 2011
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Thanks Obama.
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you ever dance with the devil by the pale moonlight?
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let this guy give his giant embarrassing speech

maybe Mueller will steal headlines by indicting DJT Jr. the next day
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96583UP wrote: maybe Mueller will steal headlines by indicting DJT Jr. the next day
Keep going; I'm almost there.
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May I present you with: the good, kind, Christian real America that coastal elites shouldn’t look down their noses at:
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The entire strategy. And yet...

A. He’s been pushing for and explaining the wall for 2 years and it has never gained in the polling.

B. Every position he’s taken as president has subsequently lost popularity.
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I've got band practice so I won't be watching any of this ridiculous garbage.
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Hoooo boy
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I am pretty sure my wife is going to veto us watching this, so I look forward to looking back on all the RM hot takes and McP's whiskeying when it's over.
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McParadigm wrote:Hoooo boy
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The breadth and depth of cowardice is really something
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So Manafort electronically offered to “brief” Kilimnik on the campaign in order to pay off his debts. “How do we use this to get whole?” he asked in the infamous email.

Then he gave the guy campaign-acquired polling data on Americans that the Kremlin could use to guide its misinformation campaigns...while secretly meeting with him in Madrid. He also appears to be accused of lying about his involvement in the Ukraine “peace plan,” which was in fact principally about lifting Russian sanctions.
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McParadigm wrote:So Manafort electronically offered to “brief” Kilimnik on the campaign in order to pay off his debts. “How do we use this to get whole?” he asked in the infamous email.

Then he gave the guy campaign-acquired polling data on Americans that the Kremlin could use to guide its misinformation campaigns...while secretly meeting with him in Madrid. He also appears to be accused of lying about his involvement in the Ukraine “peace plan,” which was in fact principally about lifting Russian sanctions.
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let me know when we got trump directing manafort to do so
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