Ryan Adams

McParadigm · Post by **McParadigm** » Thu February 14, 2019 1:01 am

given2trade wrote:Ok I guess I'll stop listening to Cold Roses. Jason Isbell has long ago replaced my Ryan Adams listening slot so that's fine.

Southestern & Something More Than Free are as good as any Ryan Adams album.

Strat · Post by **Strat** » Thu February 14, 2019 1:04 am

durdencommatyler wrote:
Strat wrote:He's not categorically denying it at all.
He did, though. It seems he's walking a lot of it back now. But his first reaction was a categorical denial.

Adams’ lawyer said the singer denied all of the “extremely serious and outlandish accusations” from the “disgruntled individuals.”

On Wednesday, prior to the publication of the article, Adams posted a since-deleted image of the New York Times’ logo with the caption, “Fuck you. You are kitty litter. Happy Valentine’s Day.” He also replied to one tweet before the story’s publication, “Run your smear piece. But the leagel [sic] eagles see you. Rats. I’m fucking taking you down.”
Both of those from Rolling Stone.

The magazine also acknowledges that he's walked it back since:
A rep for Adams did not immediately reply to Rolling Stone‘s request for comment, though the musician’s tone shifted from defiant to apologetic in statements throughout the day.
But he absolutely came out and denied all of it at the jump.

But again, this is moving quickly, and it's upsetting. In the end it doesn't really matter. But knowing how it all played out is important, especially given someone who as you say has a history of being manic.

Yea I missed those. Thanks.

Birds in Hell · Post by **Birds in Hell** » Thu February 14, 2019 1:05 am

bodysnatcher wrote:
Rangi Guy wrote:I couldn't name you one Ryan Adams song....I'm not even sure if I've heard his music before, but if someone were to have asked me if he was kind of a creep and into underage girls, I would have said 'Totally!' - I'm surprised people are shocked by this
same, not surprised whatsoever

Yeah, my reaction exactly.

Strat · Post by **Strat** » Thu February 14, 2019 1:11 am

WFUB in NYC has just deleted his entire catalog.

verb_to_trust · Post by **verb_to_trust** » Thu February 14, 2019 1:12 am

Hasn't Jason Isbell acted like a drunk buffoon though? We can play this game all day with musical acts.

given2trade · Post by **given2trade** » Thu February 14, 2019 1:20 am

verb_to_trust wrote:Hasn't Jason Isbell acted like a drunk buffoon though? We can play this game all day with musical acts.

drunk buffoon equiv to sexting with a 15 year old? 1000s of texts? all done under the umbrella of him helping her become famous?

meh

every rock star has been a drunk buffoon. this isn't about sleeping with 100s of women. he didn't just fuck groupies.

given2trade · Post by **given2trade** » Thu February 14, 2019 1:22 am

verb_to_trust wrote:Hasn't Jason Isbell acted like a drunk buffoon though? We can play this game all day with musical acts.

Also Isbell is 7 or 8 years sober, very happily married, and has a kid. If he had issues in the past, they are long over. But I'm guessing those issues were just related to being an alcoholic not promising women fame and fortune in the music business to fuck them.

verb_to_trust · Post by **verb_to_trust** » Thu February 14, 2019 1:31 am

I'm not trying to put the transgressions on the same level. It's a tough game trying to invest in an artist on a level that goes deeper than just the music, that's all.

Kevin Davis · Post by **Kevin Davis** » Thu February 14, 2019 1:34 am

Birds in Hell wrote:
bodysnatcher wrote:
Rangi Guy wrote:I couldn't name you one Ryan Adams song....I'm not even sure if I've heard his music before, but if someone were to have asked me if he was kind of a creep and into underage girls, I would have said 'Totally!' - I'm surprised people are shocked by this
same, not surprised whatsoever
Yeah, my reaction exactly.

I don't think I'll ever stop being at least a little surprised by stuff like this. Conceptually I don't have a hard time imagining Ryan Adams being generally a creep, but anytime I read these kinds of details it just adds a creepy element of reality to it that my brain isn't quite prepared for. I barely listen to his music anymore anyway so I don't really feel that same moral dilemma about how much I can continue listening to him -- certainly hearing any of it in the near future will make me feel pretty icky -- but I definitely feel for those who admire him as a musician and an artist (even before this I can't imagine there were a lot of people who admired him as a person, but if they did, I feel for them too), and certainly for those who were on the receiving end of his behavior.

JuanHamm · Post by **JuanHamm** » Thu February 14, 2019 1:34 am

verb_to_trust wrote:Hasn't Jason Isbell acted like a drunk buffoon though? We can play this game all day with musical acts.

How about any rock band from the 70s/80s?

verb_to_trust · Post by **verb_to_trust** » Thu February 14, 2019 1:36 am

You guys relayed to Isbell or something?

given2trade · Post by **given2trade** » Thu February 14, 2019 2:07 am

JuanHamm wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:Hasn't Jason Isbell acted like a drunk buffoon though? We can play this game all day with musical acts.
How about any rock band from the 70s/80s?

70s/80s? How about Eddie Vedder? You don't think Ed has ever been a rich drunk asshole rock star, especially in the 90's?

Let's totally derail this thread!

psychobain · Post by **psychobain** » Thu February 14, 2019 2:11 am

Yeah its very sad, but i wont stop being a fan of his music

If we knew all the deep secrets by every musician i bet there wouldnt be too many innocents

verb_to_trust · Post by **verb_to_trust** » Thu February 14, 2019 2:30 am

The timing of the article seems like it was intended to derail his big plans for the year.

verb_to_trust · Post by **verb_to_trust** » Thu February 14, 2019 2:53 am

What I will say about the article is that the Mandy Moore stuff didn't really fit. Ryan said she wasn't a real musician and now she's finally free to make music again? They've been divorced for like 5 years and she is a famous actress. She can make music if she wants to.

McParadigm · Post by **McParadigm** » Thu February 14, 2019 3:07 am

verb_to_trust wrote:The timing of the article seems like it was intended to derail his big plans for the year.

are you kidding me

given2trade · Post by **given2trade** » Thu February 14, 2019 3:08 am

verb_to_trust wrote:What I will say about the article is that the Mandy Moore stuff didn't really fit. Ryan said she wasn't a real musician and now she's finally free to make music again? They've been divorced for like 5 years and she is a famous actress. She can make music if she wants to.

I think she is in it because he was a controlling asshole to her. But yah, of course she's not 13 and a nobody.

given2trade · Post by **given2trade** » Thu February 14, 2019 3:08 am

McParadigm wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:The timing of the article seems like it was intended to derail his big plans for the year.
are you kidding me

yah i lol'd at that. ryan's 3 albums will be 3 piles of poop.

Post by **epilogue** » Thu February 14, 2019 3:15 am

Laura Burhenn wrote:The lasting trope of the Rock-N-Roll singer has led to some ugly conditioning of boys, turning sensitive young poets into monstrous sexual predators. The #metoo movement never reached the fever pitch in the music world it could’ve because most victims I know personally aren’t interested in having that storyline define their careers. They’re also not interested in pleading their case to an industry that has proven over and over it will take the side of whichever musician brings the biggest ROI. (There are exceptions to this, and I applaud the women and men in positions of power doing the heavy lifting here.)

I’m mostly excited to be working on something that will counter this — that will dismantle the outdated, patriarchal, sexist systems, building up something new that makes room for a true diversity of voices where EVERYONE has safe space to grow and succeed. There really is room for everyone...

Laura GETS it.

This sucks on so many levels. But I'm so glad we can recognize this and that there are others working toward something much more positive.

lennytheweedwhacker · Thu February 14, 2019 3:24 am

i forgive him

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