Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

[tk]

I had no problems with it.

[McParadigm]

I don't read the threads about his movie roles. If I start, you'll be the first to get a PM.

[evenslow]

I don't read the threads about his movie roles. If I start, you'll be the first to get a PM.

[bodysnatcher]

i liked it

[BurtReynolds]

This video is best watched through an Eddie Vedder projector.

truer words have never been spoken.

[stupidmop]

Check out the end date on the final slide. What does that mean? 90-16-5

Intriguing

[Cleverman]

Check out the end date on the final slide. What does that mean? 90-16-5

Intriguing

Jim Henson died May 16, 1990

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Henson

Boom!






...wait, what?

[Cleverman]

We saw Steve Martin and Kermit the Frog duel banjos. Could an Ed/Fozzie Bear uke album be far behind??

[stip]

I didn't like Bad As Me, stippers, and thats a durn record.

well we'll have that at least. Some great songs on it though.

Also, Tom Waits is responsible for some of the worst music videos I've ever bothered to try watching.

okay fair enough. I've never heard you criticize any of his videos.

[stip]

Couple things:

1) I like the video. It's kinda cool and clearly is trying to say "something". I just don't know wtf it's trying to say.
2) The video actually doesn't go with the song at all. The song is about religion, or seems to be and the video was about war
3) If the video provides anything at all, it's hope that this album is concept-related, kinda apocalyptic.. (although I think the inclusion of Sleeping By Myself may destroy that thought)

At the end of the day, I don't get Ed. He's got this viewpoint of "let's scream about the guy who was in office 8 years ago, and when people get upset, F them"... fair enough. That makes sense, but "8 years later (when said guy is out of office) let's have videos about war, about how everything's f'd up, and play fundraisers for the guy who's in office today." Wtf?

I wish this video made sense. Someone help me please...

this is what I wrote for the main page, if it helps

We have our first video from Lightning Bolt (for Mind Your Manners), and it tells us quite a bit about how the band interprets the song (and possibly acts as a guide for how to understand the album). Someone on the Red Mosquito message board (Farmer John) described it as the love child of Do the Evolution and The Fixer videos, and that’s a pretty good bumper sticker description of the video. We have the images of a collapsing civilization that was the hallmark of the DTE animation (although much of this is actual film footage, underscoring the severity of what’s at stake) with the silly rock star theatrics of The Fixer. Whether or not they fit together is up to the viewer, although I’ll speculate in a minute as to why they may have tried to merge them together.

My initial impression of the song Mind Your Manners was that it was an anti-religious screed (given the opening ‘I found myself believing that I needed God’ and the chorus it isn’t hard to see why), but it seemed like there was a deeper, more interesting message hovering just below the surface, and it comes to the fore in the visuals of the video. This is not a song about religion in the ‘isn’t organized religion horrible’ sense. Religious hypocrisy is too easy a target to be all that compelling. It is instead a song about learning to see what is happening to the world around us, and being prepared to take steps to do something about. In fact, most of the religious imagery in the video has nothing to do with churches.

Instead we’re given a series of occasionally striking, occasionally subtle, occasionally heavy handed visual representations of a world collapsing in on itself. Often the first appearance is animated, but then we’re given the real thing to remind us that this is actually happening.
-Tidal waves, floods forest fires, floods, avalanches, sun blasted deserts where there used to be trees, tornadoes,
-War (bombs, tanks, gunfire)
-Pollution, smoke stacks, oil spills, (animated, and real), poisoned air (the statue of liberty in a gas mask--a nice shot at America’s failure to lead on environmental issues))
-Greed (the printing presses)
-Democracy (or the United States) in chains (the barbed wire imagery on the flag)
-The lightning bolt striking the puritanical looking figure (the rapture or a comment on hypocrisy. both?)
-Hour glasses counting down the time we have left


This is all framed by the 1960s PSA video on manners, and it sheds light on the pre-chorus. If this is the world around us why aren’t we howling with outrage. Why are our problems marginalized, diminished, if they are even talked about at all? How often did impending environmental collapse or the serious structural weaknesses in the US economy come up during the 2012 election? Why can’t our political and corporate leaders actually address what is at stake? Why isn’t the declining state of our civilization an issue given the gravity it deserves? Because people in power fear disruption. Disrupting the status quo. Disrupting their ability to get elected Disrupting their legitimacy. Even if the emperor has no clothes, as the story teaches us, it’s rude to point that out. Mind your manners.

So where does the religion come in? There is plenty of religious imagery in the video--the lost soul stumbling through the woods (a fairly traditional metaphor for spiritual striving), the ascension up to heaven, escaping this tortured world, being directed by God (who flicks the pilgrim onto the cloud and sends him back--there is no real agency from the seeker). This song is a critique of the idea of theodicy--the belief that this is the best of all possible worlds, that the problems that exist are beyond us, and that attempts to deal with them will just make things worse. Therefore, they aren’t our problem and we are no longer morally obligated to deal with them. It’s a philosophy of passivity. Originally this is a religious concept, but the idea can be easily appropriated by free market fundamentalists, social Darwinists, or anyone who argues that we lack the ability to DO something about the world. And fuck it. It hardly matters anyway. As long as your soul is squared away with God it’ll all work out all right for YOU in the end.

But what if that’s wrong. What if we can do better? What if we HAVE to? In the video, god kicks the ascending man out of heaven and back down to Earth. He’s stuck here. Trapped. For better or worse. So he might as well try and make it a place he can live in. And so during the second chorus we are confronted with images of destruction reversing itself. If we stop accepting we can do ‘something else’.

This is not the work of heroes. This is a project anyone and everyone has to engage. And so while the rock star cheesiness is in the video in part because it’s playful (do you really think Danny Clinch included that because he thinks it looks cool?), and in part as a juxtaposition with how serious the problems that face us are. But I think it may also be meant to signify that there aren’t heroes that are going to make this better. There aren’t 20 people that are going to sit down in a room and solve our problems. Nor is it enough for some celebrity to draw attention to these things, since in the end a celebrity is just some silhouetted asshole jumping up and down in front of a blue screen. After all, we frequently get this footage from within a TV in the video, implying that we’re passively being dictated to, or that being a spectator is not enough. If the world is going to save itself, we’re going to have to roll up our sleeves, all of us, and get to work.

[BurtReynolds]

is this thread about Tom Waits and Muppets?

[EJ]

Sammie Davis, Jr also died on 5/16/90.

[stip]

is this thread about Tom Waits and Muppets?

that one kinda sucks compared to God's Away on Business.

[BurtReynolds]

is this thread about Tom Waits and Muppets?

that one kinda sucks compared to God's Away on Business.

either way, Jim henson should be in charge of all future Pearl Jam videos.

[stip]

i shant argue that

[Release_Me]

Couple things:

1) I like the video. It's kinda cool and clearly is trying to say "something". I just don't know wtf it's trying to say.
2) The video actually doesn't go with the song at all. The song is about religion, or seems to be and the video was about war
3) If the video provides anything at all, it's hope that this album is concept-related, kinda apocalyptic.. (although I think the inclusion of Sleeping By Myself may destroy that thought)

At the end of the day, I don't get Ed. He's got this viewpoint of "let's scream about the guy who was in office 8 years ago, and when people get upset, F them"... fair enough. That makes sense, but "8 years later (when said guy is out of office) let's have videos about war, about how everything's f'd up, and play fundraisers for the guy who's in office today." Wtf?

I wish this video made sense. Someone help me please...

this is what I wrote for the main page, if it helps

We have our first video from Lightning Bolt (for Mind Your Manners), and it tells us quite a bit about how the band interprets the song (and possibly acts as a guide for how to understand the album). Someone on the Red Mosquito message board (Farmer John) described it as the love child of Do the Evolution and The Fixer videos, and that’s a pretty good bumper sticker description of the video. We have the images of a collapsing civilization that was the hallmark of the DTE animation (although much of this is actual film footage, underscoring the severity of what’s at stake) with the silly rock star theatrics of The Fixer. Whether or not they fit together is up to the viewer, although I’ll speculate in a minute as to why they may have tried to merge them together.

My initial impression of the song Mind Your Manners was that it was an anti-religious screed (given the opening ‘I found myself believing that I needed God’ and the chorus it isn’t hard to see why), but it seemed like there was a deeper, more interesting message hovering just below the surface, and it comes to the fore in the visuals of the video. This is not a song about religion in the ‘isn’t organized religion horrible’ sense. Religious hypocrisy is too easy a target to be all that compelling. It is instead a song about learning to see what is happening to the world around us, and being prepared to take steps to do something about. In fact, most of the religious imagery in the video has nothing to do with churches.

Instead we’re given a series of occasionally striking, occasionally subtle, occasionally heavy handed visual representations of a world collapsing in on itself. Often the first appearance is animated, but then we’re given the real thing to remind us that this is actually happening.
-Tidal waves, floods forest fires, floods, avalanches, sun blasted deserts where there used to be trees, tornadoes,
-War (bombs, tanks, gunfire)
-Pollution, smoke stacks, oil spills, (animated, and real), poisoned air (the statue of liberty in a gas mask--a nice shot at America’s failure to lead on environmental issues))
-Greed (the printing presses)
-Democracy (or the United States) in chains (the barbed wire imagery on the flag)
-The lightning bolt striking the puritanical looking figure (the rapture or a comment on hypocrisy. both?)
-Hour glasses counting down the time we have left


This is all framed by the 1960s PSA video on manners, and it sheds light on the pre-chorus. If this is the world around us why aren’t we howling with outrage. Why are our problems marginalized, diminished, if they are even talked about at all? How often did impending environmental collapse or the serious structural weaknesses in the US economy come up during the 2012 election? Why can’t our political and corporate leaders actually address what is at stake? Why isn’t the declining state of our civilization an issue given the gravity it deserves? Because people in power fear disruption. Disrupting the status quo. Disrupting their ability to get elected Disrupting their legitimacy. Even if the emperor has no clothes, as the story teaches us, it’s rude to point that out. Mind your manners.

So where does the religion come in? There is plenty of religious imagery in the video--the lost soul stumbling through the woods (a fairly traditional metaphor for spiritual striving), the ascension up to heaven, escaping this tortured world, being directed by God (who flicks the pilgrim onto the cloud and sends him back--there is no real agency from the seeker). This song is a critique of the idea of theodicy--the belief that this is the best of all possible worlds, that the problems that exist are beyond us, and that attempts to deal with them will just make things worse. Therefore, they aren’t our problem and we are no longer morally obligated to deal with them. It’s a philosophy of passivity. Originally this is a religious concept, but the idea can be easily appropriated by free market fundamentalists, social Darwinists, or anyone who argues that we lack the ability to DO something about the world. And fuck it. It hardly matters anyway. As long as your soul is squared away with God it’ll all work out all right for YOU in the end.

But what if that’s wrong. What if we can do better? What if we HAVE to? In the video, god kicks the ascending man out of heaven and back down to Earth. He’s stuck here. Trapped. For better or worse. So he might as well try and make it a place he can live in. And so during the second chorus we are confronted with images of destruction reversing itself. If we stop accepting we can do ‘something else’.

This is not the work of heroes. This is a project anyone and everyone has to engage. And so while the rock star cheesiness is in the video in part because it’s playful (do you really think Danny Clinch included that because he thinks it looks cool?), and in part as a juxtaposition with how serious the problems that face us are. But I think it may also be meant to signify that there aren’t heroes that are going to make this better. There aren’t 20 people that are going to sit down in a room and solve our problems. Nor is it enough for some celebrity to draw attention to these things, since in the end a celebrity is just some silhouetted asshole jumping up and down in front of a blue screen. After all, we frequently get this footage from within a TV in the video, implying that we’re passively being dictated to, or that being a spectator is not enough. If the world is going to save itself, we’re going to have to roll up our sleeves, all of us, and get to work.

Excellent write up. Pretty much aligned with my interpretation. I think this video and the song itself is an indication of the sort of themes LB, the album, will deal with.

[HardTI]

This video is best watched through an Eddie Vedder projector.

This comment isn't getting enough love. Well fucking done.

[McParadigm]

I didn't like Bad As Me, stippers, and thats a durn record.

well we'll have that at least. Some great songs on it though.

Also, Tom Waits is responsible for some of the worst music videos I've ever bothered to try watching.

okay fair enough. I've never heard you criticize any of his videos.

Wow. Why did I say "to try watching" instead of "trying to watch?" That's a really weird choice of phrasing.

Someone should do a write-up.

[stip]

i only do one a day

[LooseGroove927]

We saw Steve Martin and Kermit the Frog duel banjos. Could an Ed/Fozzie Bear uke album be far behind??

I was thinking since Matt's back with Soundgarden, Animal would be joining PJ on drums.