VinylGuy wrote:There is a difference between Liz Taylor and seven year old kids Dime. Specially if they are your fans.
Its abusive behavior.
You and I can make that distinction for sure. It’s obvious. I’m not sure he was able to.
*especially given his messiah / victim complex he seemed to have. Something I never understood about him either. How those two things could be in the same personality
VinylGuy wrote:There is a difference between Liz Taylor and seven year old kids Dime. Specially if they are your fans.
Its abusive behavior.
You and I can make that distinction for sure. It’s obvious. I’m not sure he was able to.
*especially given his messiah / victim complex he seemed to have. Something I never understood about him either. How those two things could be in the same personality
I think he was able to yeah. He really went for it and in some cases he knew when not to push around...but sure, the industry, the fans...they all enabled him to do it. Sure.
Thats what i got from part 1 of this doc...and i remembered him saying he didnt had any surgery in his face, denying whats so obvious. And it got me, the sexual stuff...not sure if it happened...but overall the guy is an abuser.
VinylGuy wrote:There is a difference between Liz Taylor and seven year old kids Dime. Specially if they are your fans.
Its abusive behavior.
You and I can make that distinction for sure. It’s obvious. I’m not sure he was able to.
*especially given his messiah / victim complex he seemed to have. Something I never understood about him either. How those two things could be in the same personality
I think he was able to yeah. He really went for it and in some cases he knew when not to push around...but sure, the industry, the fans...they all enabled him to do it. Sure.
Thats what i got from part 1 of this doc...and i remembered him saying he didnt had any surgery in his face, denying whats so obvious. And it got me, the sexual stuff...not sure if it happened...but overall the guy is an abuser.
Seriously.
It’s 30 years later and she’s laughing walking down memory lane talking of enjoying michaels wine cellars and being cooked for and five star hotels.
Ehhh your sons in the next clip talking about his abuse
VinylGuy wrote:They are both really star struck and just in awe of Michael being their so called friend.
IF that’s the case, she’s talking about her marriage breaking up, but both of them there at the ranch, the first thing the dad is gonna do is freak out about this weird relationship and why are we here? Etc
Doesn’t seem to have happened. Weird.
Everything about both sets of parents is just so weird.
Just read all those notes/faxes VG.
There’s nothing untoward in any of them in my opinion. What there definitely is is a desperatly lonely guy. And half these faxes are to the mom it seems. Not the son.
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Green Habit wrote:I think I've effectively reached a "don't care" moment with this.
Michael Jackson is dead. He will either never be brought fully to justice for whatever he did, or he will never feel defamed for whatever he didn't do. People should be free to speak of his legacy however they wish, good or bad. I will continue to separate the art from the artist and appreciate his good music. If that benefits his estate, I don't care, because his estate didn't do whatever Jackson himself did. (Ideally, his estate shouldn't be allowed to rent seek from his work, but that's a topic for a different day.)
This is pretty much where I'm at with all of this
"I really enjoy sandwiches but the other guys are so good at making sandwiches that I don't make them. Now I make sandwiches."
Im wide open to this doco changing my opinion on this and they made a really convincing case up to about half way through, then it all falls apart somehow.
Safechuck is believable. He seems damaged. By this I dunno. Robson isn’t at all. In any way.
dimejinky99 wrote:Just read all those notes/faxes VG.
There’s nothing untoward in any of them in my opinion. What there definitely is is a desperatly lonely guy. And half these faxes are to the mom it seems. Not the son.
No, there are a lot of them for the kids. Being lonely dont push you to be an abuser...7 years old kids.
