HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

[Chris_H_2]

1. We just spent time learning how the unsullied aren't taking prisoners, but then when Jon kills their leader, THAT'S when they decide to take a prisoner? Why not execute him on the spot?

not sure. but they also took tyrion prisoner, so maybe there were exceptions for those closest to dany.

2. Why did Varys, Tyrion, Davos, the North, etc.. support Jon UNTIL he stabbed Dany? Literally everyone was begging him to take the throne, and then they all were like, "ugh, I don't know who to choose...." when it came time to pick the next ruler.

see, i think their support of him is what spared his life. but they also realized that while his act was noble, they just couldn't let him off scott-free. my problem with them not being able to do that is that jaime killed a king and didn't receive the same punishment.

3. Why didn't Drogon torch Jon? The throne didn't stab his mom.

i read earlier that it was either the smartest dragon realizing that the throne represented the corrupting body-politik against which dany initially raged or the dumbest in thinking that the swords from the throne were the same ones that killed dany.

4. Why didn't Dany have any guards around her?

because that dream sequence at the end of season 2 where she was walking in a ruined throne room with what everyone thought was snow falling didn't have them. that's the only thing i can think of.

7. What happened to the Dothraki? Did they just pack up and leave, off screen?

[epilogue]

Why would anyone want Bran to be king, after being totally unhelpful and uncaring toward everyone around him the past 3 or 4 seasons?

Why did Bran want to be king at all, after having lost all interest in the world around him and expressing no interest to be Lord of Winterfell?

Did he just know he was gonna be king and let everyone off each other for his own benefit?

His revealing that he knew the whole time is really troublesome. Like... you knew how this would play out? And you let it happen? You could have warged into that fucking dragon WEEKS ago and you didn't? Really, Bran?

Some fucking king you are.

[Chris_H_2]

maybe I'm the only person who laughed right out loud, but Drogon picking up Dany and flying away with her was absurd and totally undercut the full emotional impact of what had otherwise been a moving scene.

i would've lost it it if it would've accidentally dropped her

[epilogue]

maybe I'm the only person who laughed right out loud, but Drogon picking up Dany and flying away with her was absurd and totally undercut the full emotional impact of what had otherwise been a moving scene.

i would've lost it it if it would've accidentally dropped her

[Mecca]

again, i think you can attribute 90% of this nonsense to the showrunners' bizarre choice to abbreviate the last two seasons.

i just don't understand why you'd put so many countless resources and time into something where you meticulously pour your heart and soul into it, only to have your give-a-shitter break at the end which colors everything you accomplished up until that point.

Agreed. Season 7 should have been the full 10 episodes ending with Battle of Winterfell. Leave it on a cliffhanger then wrap it up episode 1 Season 8. If they wanted a shorter season fine, but at least we would have gotten like 3 additional episode which would have helped develop and finish all these story lines. It was all just too rushed and it didn't have to be. That and Jon should not have been outcast.

As I said before, Jon should have died. It's the only thing that makes sense to me and satisfies. BUT if he's going to live, then the choice to go North should have been his own. The biggest problem with Jon throughout the series (but especially in these last couple seasons) is his total lack of agency. I mean, I guess, yeah, he does stuff. But he basically just does what people tell him to do.

Not that any of it matters anyway, because, as Bran tells us again and again, it was always going to be this way. So...

I think there’s a difference in what he’s told and what he chooses:

The only thing he has been told and lacked some agency over is his positions. Lord Commander, king in the north, rightful heir, etc. What Jon has agency over is his decisions while being in those positions: sheltering freefolk, bending the knee, etc

Except, again, Bran.

is that an exception to what I said?

Bran illustrates that, in fact, Jon has no agency over his decisions. That's all.

I don’t know if Bran is saying it’s predestination, but rather more of “you cannot be anywhere that you’re not supposed to be” he’s not Billy Pilgrim

"Look, bish, the only reason I even rolled up in hrrr is cuz I knew you were gonna make me king -- which I don't want but okay!"

Nothing really ever suggested he has foresight though, has it? Green Dreams are more symbolic

[EJ]

Only complaint I have about this one was every setup in it needed, well, more set up.
Jon killing Dany in particular.
Wish it had been a full season but overall I can’t complain about what we saw.

Don’t care or need to be spoon fed about irrelevant details like what happens the Dothraki or Any of that.

well, there really shouldn't have been more than 5 horselords left anyway after their dumb charge of the light brigade at the battle of winterfell

[dimejinky99]

Tyrion has started to tell this joke three times in the entire series. Always gets cut off. Here’s the full joke.


"I once brought a jackass and a honeycomb into a brothel....”

Madame: What can we do for you? Tyrion: I need a woman to lay with, for mine has left me. Madame: Whatever for? And what's with the honeycomb and the mule? Tyrion: My woman found a genie in a bottle, and he granted her three wishes. The first was for a house fit for a queen, so he gave her this damn honeycomb. The second wish was that she have the nicest ass in all the land, so he gave her this damn donkey... Madame: And what about the third wish? Tyrion: Well... she asked the genie to make my cock hang down past my knee. Madame: Well that one's not so bad eh? Tyrion: Not so bad!? I used to be six foot three!!!

[darth_vedder]

7. What happened to the Dothraki? Did they just pack up and leave, off screen?

Your whole post was great, thanks for responding, but that particular reply was excellent internetting.

[Mecca]

Only complaint I have about this one was every setup in it needed, well, more set up.
Jon killing Dany in particular.
Wish it had been a full season but overall I can’t complain about what we saw.

Don’t care or need to be spoon fed about irrelevant details like what happens the Dothraki or Any of that.

well, there really shouldn't have been more than 5 horselords left anyway after their dumb charge of the light brigade at the battle of winterfell

The unsullied seemed to multiply after each battle, too

[Anders]

Only complaint I have about this one was every setup in it needed, well, more set up.
Jon killing Dany in particular.
Wish it had been a full season but overall I can’t complain about what we saw.

Don’t care or need to be spoon fed about irrelevant details like what happens the Dothraki or Any of that.

well, there really shouldn't have been more than 5 horselords left anyway after their dumb charge of the light brigade at the battle of winterfell

The unsullied seemed to multiply after each battle, too

I’m surprised at how many they were at the start of the episode. It looked great though.

[epilogue]

again, i think you can attribute 90% of this nonsense to the showrunners' bizarre choice to abbreviate the last two seasons.

i just don't understand why you'd put so many countless resources and time into something where you meticulously pour your heart and soul into it, only to have your give-a-shitter break at the end which colors everything you accomplished up until that point.

Agreed. Season 7 should have been the full 10 episodes ending with Battle of Winterfell. Leave it on a cliffhanger then wrap it up episode 1 Season 8. If they wanted a shorter season fine, but at least we would have gotten like 3 additional episode which would have helped develop and finish all these story lines. It was all just too rushed and it didn't have to be. That and Jon should not have been outcast.

As I said before, Jon should have died. It's the only thing that makes sense to me and satisfies. BUT if he's going to live, then the choice to go North should have been his own. The biggest problem with Jon throughout the series (but especially in these last couple seasons) is his total lack of agency. I mean, I guess, yeah, he does stuff. But he basically just does what people tell him to do.

Not that any of it matters anyway, because, as Bran tells us again and again, it was always going to be this way. So...

I think there’s a difference in what he’s told and what he chooses:

The only thing he has been told and lacked some agency over is his positions. Lord Commander, king in the north, rightful heir, etc. What Jon has agency over is his decisions while being in those positions: sheltering freefolk, bending the knee, etc

Except, again, Bran.

is that an exception to what I said?

Bran illustrates that, in fact, Jon has no agency over his decisions. That's all.

I don’t know if Bran is saying it’s predestination, but rather more of “you cannot be anywhere that you’re not supposed to be” he’s not Billy Pilgrim

"Look, bish, the only reason I even rolled up in hrrr is cuz I knew you were gonna make me king -- which I don't want but okay!"

Nothing really ever suggested he has foresight though, has it? Green Dreams are more symbolic

It's a bit up in the air. But I think there is plenty of evidence to suggest that he does see the future ("my dreams come true," "that's why I came all this way," he sees the dragon's shadow over King's Landing, he sees the throne room in ashes, etc). But regardless, it's a failing of the show that we're questioning it at all. It leaves us with, not just unanswered questions (which is fine if there's a thematic reason), but more importantly mixed messages and muddled themes.

[Mecca]

[bart]

At that level of definition it turns out GoT looks exactly like Hercules the Legendary Journeys.

[epilogue]

Only complaint I have about this one was every setup in it needed, well, more set up.
Jon killing Dany in particular.
Wish it had been a full season but overall I can’t complain about what we saw.

Don’t care or need to be spoon fed about irrelevant details like what happens the Dothraki or Any of that.

well, there really shouldn't have been more than 5 horselords left anyway after their dumb charge of the light brigade at the battle of winterfell

The unsullied seemed to multiply after each battle, too

I’m surprised at how many they were at the start of the episode. It looked great though.

It certainly did look like Lord of the Rings, that's for sure.

[epilogue]

AL

[EJ]

Bronn The Broke

- he still hasn't gotten paid

[epilogue]

Bronn The Broke

- he still hasn't gotten paid

He's Lord of fucking Highgarden!

[Anders]

Only complaint I have about this one was every setup in it needed, well, more set up.
Jon killing Dany in particular.
Wish it had been a full season but overall I can’t complain about what we saw.

Don’t care or need to be spoon fed about irrelevant details like what happens the Dothraki or Any of that.

well, there really shouldn't have been more than 5 horselords left anyway after their dumb charge of the light brigade at the battle of winterfell

The unsullied seemed to multiply after each battle, too

I’m surprised at how many they were at the start of the episode. It looked great though.

It certainly did look like Lord of the Rings, that's for sure.

Yes, you are right. My first thought was Star Wars.

[epilogue]

The Star Wars comp crossed my mind, too. But the tone/atmosphere/coloring reminded me more of LotR, as your stills illustrate. And I think that's pretty cool given the genre and the influence Tolkien has had on the genre and Martin in particular.

[Chris_H_2]

like the story or not, i thought last episode at least looked spectacular