Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

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[epilogue]

The few brief quotes I've read where QT has pointedly addressed the Bruce Lee stuff leads me to believe that he did NOT intend for it to be a fantasy or exaggeration. All I've seen (so far) is his doubling down on it. Which makes it more troublesome for me and is unfortunate.

But I'm going to keep reading.

[tree_]

When a reporter asked him why Margot Robbie doesn't have more lines, he replied "I reject your hypothesis". I have to start using that in my life.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[tree_]

Yeah I hate his personality.

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No way am I gonna try to defend QT, because he's obviously a cock.

[bada]

I haven't seen the movie yet but from what I understand the event in the movie is loosely based on an incident with a stunt guy named Gene LeBell.

....But it seems Cliff – and the incident on set – is not pure fantasy after all. Known as “the toughest man alive”, real life Hollywood hard man, two-time national judo champion and master of grappling Gene LeBell worked with Lee as a stuntman on The Green Hornet.
“That’s when I first met Bruce Lee,” LeBell recalls in an undated interview on YouTube. “He is a world class martial artist, and a wonderful guy. And the fellah that ran the stunts on it told me, ‘Hey, the guy that drives the car [Lee’s character, Kato] wants to do all the fights and the other actor isn’t athletic and he doesn’t wanna do it, so this Chinese guy wants to do it. So we want someone that knows martial arts and can take falls for him’.”

The co-author of LeBell’s autobiography, The Godfather of Grappling, tells the story a bit differently. Bob Calhoun caught up with LeBell – now 87 years old – again to discuss the Tarantino scene in an article published last week for online magazine Ozy.
Calhoun writes that LeBell was brought in by the show’s stunt coordinator to deal with Lee, who was “kicking the s*** out of the stuntman” because they couldn’t convince him that he could go easy and it would still look good on film.
LeBell told Calhoun he was told by stunt coordinator Bennie Dobbins to put Lee “in a headlock or something” – so he grabbed Lee when he got to set.

“He started making all those noises that he became famous for,” LeBell told Calhoun. “But he didn’t try to counter me, so I think he was more surprised than anything else.”
LeBell said he put Lee on his back in a fireman’s carry and ran around the set, with Lee supposedly shouting “put me down or I’ll kill you!”.
“I can’t put you down or you’ll kill me,” LeBell said was his response, before he finally gave in, adding “Hey, Bruce, don’t kill me. Just kidding champ.”

Instead of being angry, Lee realised his jeet kune do style of martial arts – which, true to his idiom “be water”, took elements of multiple different styles to create something more effective – was lacking grappling.
“I ended up working for The Green Hornet, doing a lot of the shows, and I got close to Bruce Lee and he came down to my school and worked out for over a year privately,” LeBell said in the previous interview.
“And I went and worked out with him at his school. I taught him judo and wrestling and stuff like that and some finishing holds which he later worked into some movies, and he showed me most of the kicks and striking which even today I use in the movies. A wonderful, wonderful man and a great martial artist.”

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

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Man, even without the total context or vetting, that sounds way more interesting than the watered down cartoon QT gave us.

[bada]

This is where I first heard the story. Rogan is very complimentary of both Lee and LeBelle but makes it clear which would have won if they really fought. They start talking about it at the 1:15 mark.

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I'm not watching Joe fucking Rogan.

Nice try, though.

[bada]

Oh is he cancelled or something? I can't keep up. It's a good talk about martial arts but fair enough.

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Oh is he cancelled or something? I can't keep up. It's a good talk about martial arts but fair enough.

Nah. I just can't stand him. As far as I'm concerned dude is an idiot and a cancer on the culture. I'd rather just take your word for it and read up more somewhere else. But thanks for sharing it. I'm sure other people will dig it.

[bada]

He has some odd thoughts on trans athletes but other than that he seems ok. At least what I've seen I'm not gonna claim to be a expert on him. I don't want to turn this into a Joe Rogan thread so I'll leave it at that.

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No worries, man. Lots of RMers tune in and enjoy his stuff. He's just not for me.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[Monkey_Driven]

I also hate Joe Rogan

I haven't listened/watched too much of his content, but I lean this way too.

[bada]

I don't think I hate anybody. Except Channing Tatum. Fuck that guy....and anyone who ever played for the Cowboys....and their family members.

[Monkey_Driven]

I don't think I hate anybody. Except Channing Tatum. Fuck that guy....and anyone who ever played for the Cowboys....and their family members.

You're right. I don't hate him. Just don't have any interest in what he has to say.

[Dev]

I'm way too smart for Joe Rogan! That's how I know I'm smart! - Joey + Trag