Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[epilogue]

-The dent in the car is highly exaggerated. As is all of Lee's movements/dialogue.

QT doesn't have to explain every scene or justify his choices. It's in the text.

- It is, which is one of the reasons I "chose" to believe it was a "fantasy" or "unreliable narrator" moment (until a read an interview with QT where he said it wasn't). My issue with the scene is not that it could be such. It's that... why? What's the point? What's the pay off? How come it doesn't (seemingly) every happen again? Now, regarding Bruce's movements and dialogue, yes, they are exaggerated. The issue becomes, again, why? Is it purposeful or not? And what is the intent? I think people that are taking issue with it have a super valid criticism but I don't think there's just one way to look at it. I felt a tad uncomfortable with it for a variety of reasons but my wife felt it was full-on stupid and highly racist.

But are we as an audience allowed to have questions? Are allowed to be critical and interpret on our own? The reason there is a controversy is that it isn't explicit in the text. And if QT is fine with that, then he needs to be fine with people having different takes and opinions about it. If QT isn't fine with it, then the scene is a failure and he didn't a good enough job telling this part of this story.

I think QT is just fucking with us. My interpretation of the reasons for the scene is in my original post.

Highly racist? My goodness.

Of course you are welcome to have your own questions and thoughts on a scene.

Not even my opinion, though

[epilogue]

I genuinely don't understand how it could be viewed as highly racist?

I get it. I don't really agree. But I it listening to the people who feel that way, I do understand that reaction.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[epilogue]

I genuinely don't understand how it could be viewed as highly racist?

I get it. I don't really agree. But I it listening to the people who feel that way, I do understand that reaction.

can you explain what you find racist about it?

Again, I'm not really in the "racist" camp. I think QT just made some stupid and bad choices. But I understand what others are expressing. Listening to the criticism with an open mind has helped me understand that perspective. And given that QT has been so defensive about it (in the stuff I've read), that doesn't help. Not a good look for the dude, IMO.

I think Kareen Abdul'Jabbar's piece in Deadline on the 16th is super compelling and a good read. I tend to fall more on that side of things as far as this issue is concerned.

[bodysnatcher]

can't believe we in a day and age of being socially or racially offended by a quentin tarantino movie

[Monkey_Driven]

You can be offended by anything if you try hard enough.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[Mickey]

-The dent in the car is highly exaggerated. As is all of Lee's movements/dialogue.

QT doesn't have to explain every scene or justify his choices. It's in the text.

- It is, which is one of the reasons I "chose" to believe it was a "fantasy" or "unreliable narrator" moment (until a read an interview with QT where he said it wasn't). My issue with the scene is not that it could be such. It's that... why? What's the point? What's the pay off? How come it doesn't (seemingly) every happen again? Now, regarding Bruce's movements and dialogue, yes, they are exaggerated. The issue becomes, again, why? Is it purposeful or not? And what is the intent? I think people that are taking issue with it have a super valid criticism but I don't think there's just one way to look at it. I felt a tad uncomfortable with it for a variety of reasons but my wife felt it was full-on stupid and highly racist.

But are we as an audience allowed to have questions? Are allowed to be critical and interpret on our own? The reason there is a controversy is that it isn't explicit in the text. And if QT is fine with that, then he needs to be fine with people having different takes and opinions about it. If QT isn't fine with it, then the scene is a failure and he didn't a good enough job telling this part of this story.

I think QT is just fucking with us. My interpretation of the reasons for the scene is in my original post.

Highly racist? My goodness.

Of course you are welcome to have your own questions and thoughts on a scene.

These things are not, of course, mutually exclusive...

[E.H. Ruddock]

I miss the days of just watching movies for entertainment

[Mickey]

I miss the days of just watching movies for entertainment

We all yearn for a past that never existed.

[tree_]

So much stupidity. QT is not running for SJW of the year. OUATIH is more like getting drunk with your best friend for what could be the last time. Enjoy it.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[Dev]

So much stupidity. QT is not running for SJW of the year. OUATIH is more like getting drunk with your best friend for what could be the last time. Enjoy it.

What is the point of doing something if the motivation is not to fight for social justice?

[Dev]

I suspect Tarantino knew exactly the controversy that scene would raise and partly chose to include it for exactly that reason

[bodysnatcher]

It’s not a bad theory. Pretty good chance no one would still be talking about that movie at this point.

[epilogue]

I miss the days of just watching movies for entertainment

We all yearn for a past that never existed.

[epilogue]

I suspect Tarantino knew exactly the controversy that scene would raise and partly chose to include it for exactly that reason

[epilogue]

It’s not a bad theory. Pretty good chance no one would still be talking about that movie at this point.

Damn

[epilogue]

I

Agree

With

Tree

...

Do you apply the same thinking to all filmmakers? Why does QT get a pass if not?