Brexit

[McParadigm]

EU and indeed US won’t be happy

I too remember the days when you could have counted on us literally at all.

[dimejinky99]

So the British government never implemented the change to legislation required back in 98 to implement those rights...so officially they never recognized the GFA

"Government lawyers argued the British Nationality Act 1981 was the relevant legislation - not the Good Friday accord.It said the Act ruled that anyone born in Northern Ireland was automatically British, until such time as they renounce that citizenship.Ms DeSouza has said her case will have implications for EU citizens post-Brexit.

She said the UK government had failed to implement the provisions of the Good Friday Agreement into UK domestic law."...............

[dimejinky99]

EU and indeed US won’t be happy

I too remember the days when you could have counted on us literally at all.

Well we got Pelosi and the Irish lobby on our side but hopefully it’s resolved before long

[Let's all laugh at Rangers]

That's New Labour for you, they were the same with employment law. Too many recommendations, not enough laws. What's this about internment?

[dimejinky99]

That's New Labour for you, they were the same with employment law. Too many recommendations, not enough laws. What's this about internment?

They’re looking at internment camps for immigrants that haven’t registered by the cut off date.

I mean that doesn’t have all kinds of alarm bells on it

[dimejinky99]

Wow. They have until midnight to accept a border in the sea.
Get the popcorn out.

[dimejinky99]

Border. In. The. Sea.
Cabinet summoned to downing st to be briefed.

[McParadigm]

It’s hard for me to tell if this was a Hail Mary act of desperation that they thought for a brief moment might actually work, or if they always knew it would fail and hoped its failure would frame others as the reason for no deal and them as having tried everything.

[dimejinky99]

Tony reporting it’s game on. Arlene pouring cold water on it.

Believe tony. Every time. Very much looks like DUP are out of the loop despite meetings in downing st this morning and last night.

[dimejinky99]

The pound rose today following Tony Connollys tweets.
It then dropped after arlene fosters.

Are markets that sensitive?


I’ll never understand any of that stuff

[dimejinky99]

[McParadigm]

[dimejinky99]

You’re way behind McP

Deal looks ready to be reviewed and approved by EU.

goes to a special sitting of the House of Commons on Saturday for an indicitave vote.
ERG mostly onboard. Dup ~ who knows.


Looks to all reliable outlets like this might actually happen before the 31st

[McParadigm]

You’re way behind dime

No deal tonight

[dimejinky99]

I’m not behind at all. I know this will roll on for decades.

[McParadigm]

You’re way behind, dime. They Broxit last week.

[dimejinky99]

Keep the headline and just change the names to Mary Lou McDonald and the IRA and imagine the fucking meltdown.

Britain is being held hostage by the DUP and their terrorist paramilitary arms.
They didn’t speak to farmers or business leaders or the community.
They spoke to terrorists.

[dimejinky99]

Here’s the state of play.

Ok, here, late in the day, is what @rtenews understands EU and UK negotiators have agreed as the revised backstop. Bear with me...I’ll break it down into Customs and Consent.

1/ Customs: Northern Ireland is legally in the UK’s customs territory, but would it would apply the EU’s rules and procedures on tariffs.

2/ Northern Ireland would also be aligned with the rules of the single market for industrial goods and agri-food products, meaning both regulatory and customs checks and controls on the Irish Sea for goods going from Great Britain to Northern Ireland.

3/ However, the extent of the controls would be reduced thanks to a series of tariff exemptions.

4/ There would be an automatic exemption for personal goods and possessions carried by those travelling back and forth between Northern Ireland and Great Britain, or, for example, if an individual was moving house.

5/ However, there would potentially be a broader category of goods and tradable products that could be exempt from tariffs and controls if there was no risk whatsoever of such goods entering EU’s single market across the land border.

6/ These categories of goods would be decided on in the future by the Joint Committee of EU and UK officials by consensus.

7/ The Joint Committee was established in the original Withdrawal Agreement as a way for both sides to manage the new arrangements.

8/ The intensity and scope of Irish Sea checks would be limited by a risk-analysis. However, the EU would, through the Joint Committee, have a veto over which kinds of goods would enjoy an exemption from tariffs and controls.

9/ There would also be a system of rebates for goods shipped from Great Britain to Northern Ireland if those goods attracted an EU tariff that was higher than the UK tariff.

10/ Consent: The mechanism essentially provides a qualified opt-out of the revised backstop arrangements via the NI Assembly

11/ Northern Ireland would take on the new customs and regulatory regime for four years after the end of the transition period, which is due to conclude at the end of 2020.

12/ At that point Stormont would have to take a view as to whether or not to opt out of the new arrangements

13/ If Stormont voted to opt out, then there would be a two year cooling off period, during which all sides would have to find an alternative way of complying with the Good Friday Agreement and avoiding a hard border.

14/ If at the end of the two years no alternative was found, then the Protocol would lapse, meaning Ireland would be back to a hard border scenario.

15/ However, if the Stormont Assembly were to collapse during that period, then the default would be that the Protocol arrangements would continue to apply (ie, the revised backstop)

16/ But there will be also be important variations on how Stormont votes for a potential exit.

17/ If Stormont decides to use a simple majority vote, which is seen as less favourable to the DUP, then if that vote to opt out does not succeed, then Stormont would vote again four years on an opt out.

18/ However, if Stormont decided to go for a cross-community majority vote, which is seen as more favourable to the DUP, and the vote did not pass, then Stormont would have to wait another eight years before having another opt-out vote.

19/ Complex, convoluted, politically fraught, but does it square the circle? It’s a weighted approach that gives the DUP cover but the opt out might never take effect because if a hard border looms Sinn Fein could just collapse the assembly and the default is the revised backstop.

[dimejinky99]

Looks like it’s done. Dup still saying they aren’t on board.

[McParadigm]

What are the odds of their being enough ERG and Labour votes to get the deal through the Commons without the DUP, if it comes to that?