Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker

[Coach]

They have some serious explaining to do on Palpatine.
Or at least a difficult path to selling it and making it satisfying and believable.
Could be just morning cranks but I dunno.

We know he can’t force ghost but we know Sith spirits can inhabit objects.

How to explain onscreen though

If this had been explained or happened in the any of the movies, it would make selling it a lot easier to fans not familiar with the off screen canon stuff. In fact, if they showcased that in the OT, the ending to ROTJ would be even better - yeah, the emperor is dead, but is he really dead??? (assuming we saw another sith inhabit an object, but I can't recall ever seeing that).

[blueviper]

Here comes your Ben and Luke backstory

How come we didn't get this as part of the new movies? Seems more interesting than Starkiller base and Snoke, and 10 seconds of Luke in Episode 7

[blueviper]

They have some serious explaining to do on Palpatine.
Or at least a difficult path to selling it and making it satisfying and believable.
Could be just morning cranks but I dunno.

We know he can’t force ghost but we know Sith spirits can inhabit objects.

How to explain onscreen though

If this had been explained or happened in the any of the movies, it would make selling it a lot easier to fans not familiar with the off screen canon stuff. In fact, if they showcased that in the OT, the ending to ROTJ would be even better - yeah, the emperor is dead, but is he really dead??? (assuming we saw another sith inhabit an object, but I can't recall ever seeing that).

Maybe the movie introduces it in such a way as it makes it seem normal and part of the universe.

Like, in ESB, did anyone have a problem with force ghost Obi-Wan? I think we all just accepted it as part of the movie and how the force works.

maybe this sith thing sounds hokey on paper, but translates better to the screen. I dunno

[Strat]

They have some serious explaining to do on Palpatine.
Or at least a difficult path to selling it and making it satisfying and believable.
Could be just morning cranks but I dunno.

We know he can’t force ghost but we know Sith spirits can inhabit objects.

How to explain onscreen though

If this had been explained or happened in the any of the movies, it would make selling it a lot easier to fans not familiar with the off screen canon stuff. In fact, if they showcased that in the OT, the ending to ROTJ would be even better - yeah, the emperor is dead, but is he really dead??? (assuming we saw another sith inhabit an object, but I can't recall ever seeing that).

Maybe the movie introduces it in such a way as it makes it seem normal and part of the universe.

Like, in ESB, did anyone have a problem with force ghost Obi-Wan? I think we all just accepted it as part of the movie and how the force works.

maybe this sith thing sounds hokey on paper, but translates better to the screen. I dunno

This was one of the most positive and reasonable comments you've ever made about the new movies!

[blueviper]

They have some serious explaining to do on Palpatine.
Or at least a difficult path to selling it and making it satisfying and believable.
Could be just morning cranks but I dunno.

We know he can’t force ghost but we know Sith spirits can inhabit objects.

How to explain onscreen though

If this had been explained or happened in the any of the movies, it would make selling it a lot easier to fans not familiar with the off screen canon stuff. In fact, if they showcased that in the OT, the ending to ROTJ would be even better - yeah, the emperor is dead, but is he really dead??? (assuming we saw another sith inhabit an object, but I can't recall ever seeing that).

Maybe the movie introduces it in such a way as it makes it seem normal and part of the universe.

Like, in ESB, did anyone have a problem with force ghost Obi-Wan? I think we all just accepted it as part of the movie and how the force works.

maybe this sith thing sounds hokey on paper, but translates better to the screen. I dunno

This was one of the most positive and reasonable comments you've ever made about the new movies!

LOL, I'm trying to be more positive. The music from the trailer is giving me hope for an epic conclusion. I just hope they can stick the landing.

[Strat]

They have some serious explaining to do on Palpatine.
Or at least a difficult path to selling it and making it satisfying and believable.
Could be just morning cranks but I dunno.

We know he can’t force ghost but we know Sith spirits can inhabit objects.

How to explain onscreen though

If this had been explained or happened in the any of the movies, it would make selling it a lot easier to fans not familiar with the off screen canon stuff. In fact, if they showcased that in the OT, the ending to ROTJ would be even better - yeah, the emperor is dead, but is he really dead??? (assuming we saw another sith inhabit an object, but I can't recall ever seeing that).

Maybe the movie introduces it in such a way as it makes it seem normal and part of the universe.

Like, in ESB, did anyone have a problem with force ghost Obi-Wan? I think we all just accepted it as part of the movie and how the force works.

maybe this sith thing sounds hokey on paper, but translates better to the screen. I dunno

This was one of the most positive and reasonable comments you've ever made about the new movies!

LOL, I'm trying to be more positive. The music from the trailer is giving me hope for an epic conclusion. I just hope they can stick the landing.

I'm sure ill be left wanting things to happen differently as they will, or feel as though some of the pieces of the puzzle didnt quite fit for me.....its just too big of a story and too close to my heart for it to be perfect.

[Coach]

They have some serious explaining to do on Palpatine.
Or at least a difficult path to selling it and making it satisfying and believable.
Could be just morning cranks but I dunno.

We know he can’t force ghost but we know Sith spirits can inhabit objects.

How to explain onscreen though

If this had been explained or happened in the any of the movies, it would make selling it a lot easier to fans not familiar with the off screen canon stuff. In fact, if they showcased that in the OT, the ending to ROTJ would be even better - yeah, the emperor is dead, but is he really dead??? (assuming we saw another sith inhabit an object, but I can't recall ever seeing that).

Maybe the movie introduces it in such a way as it makes it seem normal and part of the universe.

Like, in ESB, did anyone have a problem with force ghost Obi-Wan? I think we all just accepted it as part of the movie and how the force works.

maybe this sith thing sounds hokey on paper, but translates better to the screen. I dunno

solid point on the force ghosts.

[epilogue]

They have some serious explaining to do on Palpatine.
Or at least a difficult path to selling it and making it satisfying and believable.
Could be just morning cranks but I dunno.

We know he can’t force ghost but we know Sith spirits can inhabit objects.

How to explain onscreen though

If this had been explained or happened in the any of the movies, it would make selling it a lot easier to fans not familiar with the off screen canon stuff. In fact, if they showcased that in the OT, the ending to ROTJ would be even better - yeah, the emperor is dead, but is he really dead??? (assuming we saw another sith inhabit an object, but I can't recall ever seeing that).

That's the inherent hitch in building canon over 40 years.

[epilogue]

I love the OT as much as anyone (no disrespect intended to the lovers out there), but it was obvious things would change if they made new movies, even if it was Lucas himself who did it. Out of all the changes they have made, Sidious being back, while significant, doesn't seem like something to complain about. It's typical Star Wars.

I think of all the changes (Han and Leia ending up divorced with a mass murderer for a son, Sidious back. the new republic failing so miserably, Han dying, Leia back to leading the resistance, etc), the changes to Luke are the ones that felt most off for me. And still that would have been acceptable, if that movie was any better.

I get it. I understand stuff would change if George were making 1-3 and 7-9. At the time this was the farthest thing from people's minds. We never thought these other episodes would ever be made.

It just feels they went about it in a weird, unsatisfying way.

Because of context and perspective. Like everything.

[epilogue]

They have some serious explaining to do on Palpatine.
Or at least a difficult path to selling it and making it satisfying and believable.
Could be just morning cranks but I dunno.

We know he can’t force ghost but we know Sith spirits can inhabit objects.

How to explain onscreen though

If this had been explained or happened in the any of the movies, it would make selling it a lot easier to fans not familiar with the off screen canon stuff. In fact, if they showcased that in the OT, the ending to ROTJ would be even better - yeah, the emperor is dead, but is he really dead??? (assuming we saw another sith inhabit an object, but I can't recall ever seeing that).

Maybe the movie introduces it in such a way as it makes it seem normal and part of the universe.

Like, in ESB, did anyone have a problem with force ghost Obi-Wan? I think we all just accepted it as part of the movie and how the force works.

maybe this sith thing sounds hokey on paper, but translates better to the screen. I dunno

This was one of the most positive and reasonable comments you've ever made about the new movies!

LOL, I'm trying to be more positive. The music from the trailer is giving me hope for an epic conclusion. I just hope they can stick the landing.

I'm sure ill be left wanting things to happen differently as they will, or feel as though some of the pieces of the puzzle didnt quite fit for me.....its just too big of a story and too close to my heart for it to be perfect.

For those who are worried this kind of thing (totally valid, btw)... might I humbly suggest instead of looking at it and saying "they should have done 'x'" that instead you look at it as "okay so that happened, why?"

Pretend it's real. Treat it like an actual event. Maybe that helps?

[Strat]

They have some serious explaining to do on Palpatine.
Or at least a difficult path to selling it and making it satisfying and believable.
Could be just morning cranks but I dunno.

We know he can’t force ghost but we know Sith spirits can inhabit objects.

How to explain onscreen though

If this had been explained or happened in the any of the movies, it would make selling it a lot easier to fans not familiar with the off screen canon stuff. In fact, if they showcased that in the OT, the ending to ROTJ would be even better - yeah, the emperor is dead, but is he really dead??? (assuming we saw another sith inhabit an object, but I can't recall ever seeing that).

Maybe the movie introduces it in such a way as it makes it seem normal and part of the universe.

Like, in ESB, did anyone have a problem with force ghost Obi-Wan? I think we all just accepted it as part of the movie and how the force works.

maybe this sith thing sounds hokey on paper, but translates better to the screen. I dunno

This was one of the most positive and reasonable comments you've ever made about the new movies!

LOL, I'm trying to be more positive. The music from the trailer is giving me hope for an epic conclusion. I just hope they can stick the landing.

I'm sure ill be left wanting things to happen differently as they will, or feel as though some of the pieces of the puzzle didnt quite fit for me.....its just too big of a story and too close to my heart for it to be perfect.

For those who are worried this kind of thing (totally valid, btw)... might I humbly suggest instead of looking at it and saying "they should have done 'x'" that instead you look at it as "okay so that happened, why?"

Pretend it's real. Treat it like an actual event. Maybe that helps?

Im never one to hold my specific wants and desires against those I love. This includes star wars.

[bune]

They have some serious explaining to do on Palpatine.
Or at least a difficult path to selling it and making it satisfying and believable.
Could be just morning cranks but I dunno.

We know he can’t force ghost but we know Sith spirits can inhabit objects.

How to explain onscreen though

If this had been explained or happened in the any of the movies, it would make selling it a lot easier to fans not familiar with the off screen canon stuff. In fact, if they showcased that in the OT, the ending to ROTJ would be even better - yeah, the emperor is dead, but is he really dead??? (assuming we saw another sith inhabit an object, but I can't recall ever seeing that).

Maybe the movie introduces it in such a way as it makes it seem normal and part of the universe.

Like, in ESB, did anyone have a problem with force ghost Obi-Wan? I think we all just accepted it as part of the movie and how the force works.

maybe this sith thing sounds hokey on paper, but translates better to the screen. I dunno

I mean, technically Ghost Obi-Wan was set up with "if you strike me down..." and then talking to Luke at the end of ANH, even though he was clearly dead.

[dimejinky99]

BV might be onto something.
How many of the regular cinema going audience will know there can’t be Sith ghosts?
How about they just break the ‘rule’ and make him a Sith ghost?
If any Sith could find a way it would be Palpatine.
You’d see the majority of the hardcore fans to for that I reckon.
They do something new with the force each film.
Groundwork for it is laid out in ROTS

[epilogue]

I've never once doubted that the canon COULD change. It seems totally likely, in fact, that some new creator will eventually do a Sith Force Ghost kind of thing. My issue was always that Lucas' logic for why there ARE NOT Sith Ghosts makes total sense. But I don't expect casual fans or even new creators to know about that "rule" or to agree with it.

[dimejinky99]

There’ll be a very vocal minority screaming no matter what they do so they may as well do whatever they’re doing.

[dimejinky99]

Did everyone read the description of the Kylo and Luke comic that’s coming?
Previous page?

Weird nobody has thoughts

[VinylGuy]

I've never once doubted that the canon COULD change. It seems totally likely, in fact, that some new creator will eventually do a Sith Force Ghost kind of thing. My issue was always that Lucas' logic for why there ARE NOT Sith Ghosts makes total sense. But I don't expect casual fans or even new creators to know about that "rule" or to agree with it.

Oh cmon. Now we could agree with them changing everything? Its a very fine line to being incredible lazy.

[VinylGuy]

Here comes your Ben and Luke backstory

How come we didn't get this as part of the new movies? Seems more interesting than Starkiller base and Snoke, and 10 seconds of Luke in Episode 7

because disney hates the characters from the OT. Pretty much everything would have been better with them along with Rey and Kylo.

[dimejinky99]

I didn’t understand that last part

[epilogue]

I've never once doubted that the canon COULD change. It seems totally likely, in fact, that some new creator will eventually do a Sith Force Ghost kind of thing. My issue was always that Lucas' logic for why there ARE NOT Sith Ghosts makes total sense. But I don't expect casual fans or even new creators to know about that "rule" or to agree with it.

Oh cmon. Now we could agree with them changing everything? Its a very fine line to being incredible lazy.

I'm talking specifically about the no Sith Force Ghost rule. Which has NEVER been stated in the films or even explicitly in the broader canon. It's George's rule, his idea. And I love it and I hope it never changes. But if it does, technically, it would not violate stated canon. That's not the same as "changing everything." Nor is it lazy on any level.