The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

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4/5 wrote:
wease wrote: But if the election is suspended, then federal elections won’t happen in the first place. At least not the presidential one.
I responded to your FEC reference, "But the federal election commission has something to do with it."

The FEC doesn't have any sort of power to suspend elections. Nor does Congress, nor does the president. States are in charge of federal elections. State legislatures are the only ones conceivably with the power to delay an election, in which case that state may not have any electoral votes if they don't hold and certify an election prior to the Electoral College casting their ballots.
Did you read any of the link I posted earlier?
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wease wrote:
4/5 wrote:
wease wrote: But if the election is suspended, then federal elections won’t happen in the first place. At least not the presidential one.
I responded to your FEC reference, "But the federal election commission has something to do with it."

The FEC doesn't have any sort of power to suspend elections. Nor does Congress, nor does the president. States are in charge of federal elections. State legislatures are the only ones conceivably with the power to delay an election, in which case that state may not have any electoral votes if they don't hold and certify an election prior to the Electoral College casting their ballots.
Did you read any of the link I posted earlier?
The Twitter tread? I did.

Just because Trump argues that there's no rule of law and that he has emergency powers doesn't necessarily make it so. He states in his tweets what would happen which is the Courts should immediately rule such an action unconstitutional. (He expresses skepticism by calling it "his corrupt judiciary" but I think that is thankfully a major exaggeration.) But again, since states are in charge of elections he would need to do something dramatic like send in troops to shut down precincts and voting in states that decided to hold their elections anyway. There isn't a "suspend election" button a president can just push.

Regarding a few other things from his tweets, the president cannot legally suspend habeas corpus, that power is delegated to Congress. The president has the authority to shut down the internet or all communications? What? Additionally, states can choose their electors however they want and can instruct, or regulate, electors to vote however they want. The people do NOT need to vote for a state to choose electors and have those people vote for the president.

If there isn't a winner in the Electoral College by inauguration day, the current VP "shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President." So his claim that "without an electoral vote the president cannot be removed" is simply incorrect.

A lot of what he describes isn't "legal" as he claims. Some of it is based on precedents of things like Lincoln illegally suspending habeas corpus, or are only legal if you consider the presidential claims of extra-constitutional unitary powers to be "legal" when there isn't much, or sometimes any, case law to directly support such an interpretation.

His argument basically comes down to "Trump thinks he can do anything he wants so he can do anything he wants even if everybody else tries to stop him." That may be, but it's a far cry from his claim that "this is all legal."
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Basically, I was right.
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cutuphalfdead wrote:Basically, I was right.
I hope so.
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Parnas trying to roll on Giuliani
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tragabigzanda wrote:Parnas trying to roll on Giuliani
and trump
Did the Mother Fucker pay extra to yell?
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Guys, Stephen Miller got married this past weekend. Maybe the biggest travesty of the Trump presidency is that an innocent woman is forced to lay next to that creature nightly.
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B wrote:Guys, Stephen Miller got married this past weekend
As a forever single I find this depressing.
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Innocent woman my ass.

She’s the former press secretary for the Department of Homeland security. She made her name defending the family separations he architected. It’s a marriage made in the whitest and meanest of heavens.
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Biff Pocoroba wrote:
B wrote:Guys, Stephen Miller got married this past weekend
As a forever single I find this depressing.
I read somewhere his gf's Twitter profile pic is of the border wall, so you shouldn't feel bad at all.
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What a thing to suddenly remember, Sondland.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/us/p ... trump.html
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cutuphalfdead wrote:What a thing to suddenly remember, Sondland.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/us/p ... trump.html
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A wealthy Oregon hotelier who donated to the president’s campaign and was rewarded with the plum diplomatic post, Mr. Sondland can hardly be dismissed as a “Never Trumper,” a charge that Mr. Trump has leveled against many other officials who have offered damaging testimony about his conduct with regard to Ukraine.
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Looks like Jr has tweeted the identity of who they think the whistleblower is.
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wease wrote:Looks like Jr has tweeted the identity of who they think the whistleblower is.
Shouldn't he be arrested then?
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verb_to_trust wrote:
wease wrote:Looks like Jr has tweeted the identity of who they think the whistleblower is.
Shouldn't he be arrested then?
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oasisfan35 wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:
wease wrote:Looks like Jr has tweeted the identity of who they think the whistleblower is.
Shouldn't he be arrested then?
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Are you saying that Jr should not kill himself?
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1. The press's selection and use of stock photography to underscore their headlines brings me endless joy

2. This is a killer example of that

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So Donald is going to the LSU Alabama game in yet another attempt to get cheered at a sporting event. Supposedly people have been warned they will lose their seats if they boo him.
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