Election 2020

[Strat]

The point is made in the details. Democrats do not support killing infants. You think it’s making a point that you have a girlfriend who is shifting politically, but comments like that are the exact obfuscation and lying that are the root of the problem. I don’t say republicans want to kill immigrants in firing squads because they don’t. Stop trying to set the starting point of a debate on democrats support killing infants. There’s no rational discussion to be had when you blow credibility by demanding democrats support things that they don’t, including infanticide, partial birth abortion, socialism, free and open borders, etc. THAT is the reason we can’t have a peaceful political discussion.

But that is what his facebook meme said to him

It's bizarre that the solution for people who found politicians and media to be untrustworthy was to instead choose non-politicians and sources who are way more untrustworthy.

We began fighting back against intellectualism in this country. It was seen as snobby and as if those with advanced educations and degrees were out of touch with every day people. Who would you rather have a beer with? People, perhaps like PhatJ and your average Trump Supporter, found a common voice in political meme's and nonfactual data because "they speak my language!"

[PHATJ]

The point is made in the details. Democrats do not support killing infants. You think it’s making a point that you have a girlfriend who is shifting politically, but comments like that are the exact obfuscation and lying that are the root of the problem. I don’t say republicans want to kill immigrants in firing squads because they don’t. Stop trying to set the starting point of a debate on democrats support killing infants. There’s no rational discussion to be had when you blow credibility by demanding democrats support things that they don’t, including infanticide, partial birth abortion, socialism, free and open borders, etc. THAT is the reason we can’t have a peaceful political discussion.

But that is what his facebook meme said to him

Get the fuck off that, Strat. I posted some memes that annoyed you. Get over it.

[Strat]

The point is made in the details. Democrats do not support killing infants. You think it’s making a point that you have a girlfriend who is shifting politically, but comments like that are the exact obfuscation and lying that are the root of the problem. I don’t say republicans want to kill immigrants in firing squads because they don’t. Stop trying to set the starting point of a debate on democrats support killing infants. There’s no rational discussion to be had when you blow credibility by demanding democrats support things that they don’t, including infanticide, partial birth abortion, socialism, free and open borders, etc. THAT is the reason we can’t have a peaceful political discussion.

But that is what his facebook meme said to him

Get the fuck off that, Strat. I posted some memes that annoyed you. Get over it.

It's everything you post. As everyone in this thread has pointed out to you on a regular basis.

[Strat]

The point is made in the details. Democrats do not support killing infants. You think it’s making a point that you have a girlfriend who is shifting politically, but comments like that are the exact obfuscation and lying that are the root of the problem. I don’t say republicans want to kill immigrants in firing squads because they don’t. Stop trying to set the starting point of a debate on democrats support killing infants. There’s no rational discussion to be had when you blow credibility by demanding democrats support things that they don’t, including infanticide, partial birth abortion, socialism, free and open borders, etc. THAT is the reason we can’t have a peaceful political discussion.

Dude, some of the things you just said Democrats don’t support are the EXACT things that Warren and Sanders are basing their campaigns on! Sanders is a Socialist. Warren is too for all intents and purposes. They claim it outright and run on its tenants. They both have clearly said in speeches that they support abortion on demand - even going so far as to support a minor child having an abortion without having to inform her parents. They absolutely support free and open borders. They want to decriminalize illegal immigration. They want to give non-citizens voting rights. They even have healthcare plans that would provide illegal immigrants with free healthcare. You simply are denying reality. Or you aren’t listening to a word these candidates are saying. That’s why we can’t have peaceful political discussion.

BEING PRO CHOICE IS NOT PRO KILILNG BABIES.

[PHATJ]

Also fuck republicans for hammering on about "less government" but have no problem with the government infringing on a womans rights and marriage equality.

TRUMP IS PRO GAY MARRIAGE. And I seriously only know a couple of republicans who aren’t. That’s another bullshit narrative. And protecting innocent life is more important that anyone’s “right” to kill it.

[jwfocker]

Can someone get PhatJ another job so we don't have to read all this shit?

[wease]

Yeah, Josh, buddy, I really don't want to pile on but this reads like so much projection.

You guys really just can’t handle a single person not being a liberal, can you?

Honestly, it seems like the opposite is true. You talk a lot about how much you love pwning the libs. You've said one of your favorite things about Trump is the way he pwns the libs.

Are you sure it's not that you just can't handle a single person being a liberal?

My girlfriend is a life long Democrat and is a highly successful campaign manager that has won statewide elections as large as governor races. I love her more than anything in the world. I’m pretty sure I can handle being around liberals.

It's interesting to me then that putting one over on them is so important to you. I would think having intellectually honest discussions and trying to listen to the other would be even more valuable for you.

A few more things about her. She has worked in politics her entire career, about 20 years. She has worked at the capital under Democratic leadership. She worked for environmental causes and wrote bills that became law. She has worked as a lobbyist, typically representing environmentally focused companies. And for the last decade or so has been a campaign manager - all for Democratic candidates. She is currently running two campaigns. Actually, she’s running a press conference announcing a candidate as I write this. She voted for Hillary and has a significant distaste for Trump.

You know what else is True? She is the most patriotic person I know. She loves America and our military. She is a gun owner and has a lifetime NRA membership. She’s against illegal immigration (even though her father is a nationally respected immigration lawyer that has been asked multiple times to speak in congress on behalf of immigrants). She has changed from being pro-choice to pro-life over the last few years, mostly due to the extreme nature of the calls for abortion on demand, and the willingness of democrats to embrace extremes like partial birth abortion and even infanticide, along with the personal conviction that life is precious and our most innocent and dependent people should be protected and loved, not killed. She is an avowed capitalist. She is in favor of free markets and thinks socialism is against American principles.

During the 2018 elections she split her votes between Democrats and Republicans. Voting for the first time for any republican in her life. She said she decided to “vote for the best and most qualified candidates, not the team they are on”. She even voted against a democrat candidate in the governors election that she had previously run a successful campaign for when he won a seat in the state senate. She said “he was unqualified and far too immature to hold that office”. No one would know better than her.

She believes, like I do, that the Democrats are losing their base. Both with moderates and minorities. She sees it first hand in the fundraising and political calls she makes daily. She says that the Dems is losing voters over the economy, and over far-left views on things like immigration, taxes, embracing socialism, and being tied to ideology that supports things like idea of limitless genders, abortion on demand, and government run healthcare.

We are still a year out from the next presidential election, and she has no idea who she will vote for. Like I said, she doesn’t support Trump. She thinks Biden is an idiot. She can’t stand Warren or Bernie, and she doesn’t really think any of the other Dems stand a chance. So we’ll see what comes of it.

So basically, you’re changing her over to your side.

And I have a huge problem equating her patriotism to membership in the NRA.

[Strat]

Here, ill play the role of liberal PhatJ



haha you fucking BRAINWASHED REDNECK CONSERVATIVES!!!

[PHATJ]

The point is made in the details. Democrats do not support killing infants. You think it’s making a point that you have a girlfriend who is shifting politically, but comments like that are the exact obfuscation and lying that are the root of the problem. I don’t say republicans want to kill immigrants in firing squads because they don’t. Stop trying to set the starting point of a debate on democrats support killing infants. There’s no rational discussion to be had when you blow credibility by demanding democrats support things that they don’t, including infanticide, partial birth abortion, socialism, free and open borders, etc. THAT is the reason we can’t have a peaceful political discussion.

But that is what his facebook meme said to him

Get the fuck off that, Strat. I posted some memes that annoyed you. Get over it.

It's everything you post. As everyone in this thread has pointed out to you on a regular basis.

Everything I post? Did you read the last page? Fuck off with that nonsense. There’s literally an entire thread of thousands of political memes, of which I’ve posted a tiny percentage, and I’m fairly certain the VAST majority of the other memes and posters are significantly liberal sided. You are just being a bitch about the memes I post. Get over it.

[wease]

Also fuck republicans for hammering on about "less government" but have no problem with the government infringing on a womans rights and marriage equality.

Yes.

[E.H. Ruddock]

Also fuck republicans for hammering on about "less government" but have no problem with the government infringing on a womans rights and marriage equality.

TRUMP IS PRO GAY MARRIAGE. And I seriously only know a couple of republicans who aren’t. That’s another bullshit narrative. And protecting innocent life is more important that anyone’s “right” to kill it.

I'll be honest I'm not sure of Trump individually and gay marriage, I know he has pushed some anti-trans gender things recently. But I'll definitely disagree on the "most republicans" part. ALL republicans I know, including most of my family, are very anti gay marriage.

[Strat]

Also fuck republicans for hammering on about "less government" but have no problem with the government infringing on a womans rights and marriage equality.

TRUMP IS PRO GAY MARRIAGE. And I seriously only know a couple of republicans who aren’t. That’s another bullshit narrative. And protecting innocent life is more important that anyone’s “right” to kill it.

I'll be honest I'm not sure of Trump individually and gay marriage, I know he has pushed some anti-trans gender things recently. But I'll definitely disagree on the "most republicans" part. ALL republicans I know, including most of my family, are very anti gay marriage.

And yes, that is why i stated REPUBLICANS

[wease]

Also fuck republicans for hammering on about "less government" but have no problem with the government infringing on a womans rights and marriage equality.

TRUMP IS PRO GAY MARRIAGE. And I seriously only know a couple of republicans who aren’t. That’s another bullshit narrative.

Come to TN. Right now, I can introduce you to the whole Republican staff I work with. NONE of them are for gay marriage. Just like the majority of conservatives in this state.

[Strat]

The point is made in the details. Democrats do not support killing infants. You think it’s making a point that you have a girlfriend who is shifting politically, but comments like that are the exact obfuscation and lying that are the root of the problem. I don’t say republicans want to kill immigrants in firing squads because they don’t. Stop trying to set the starting point of a debate on democrats support killing infants. There’s no rational discussion to be had when you blow credibility by demanding democrats support things that they don’t, including infanticide, partial birth abortion, socialism, free and open borders, etc. THAT is the reason we can’t have a peaceful political discussion.

But that is what his facebook meme said to him

Get the fuck off that, Strat. I posted some memes that annoyed you. Get over it.

It's everything you post. As everyone in this thread has pointed out to you on a regular basis.

Everything I post? Did you read the last page? Fuck off with that nonsense. There’s literally an entire thread of thousands of political memes, of which I’ve posted a tiny percentage, and I’m fairly certain the VAST majority of the other memes and posters are significantly liberal sided. You are just being a bitch about the memes I post. Get over it.

I'll get over it when a certain sect of society stops getting their information from bullshit memes. Also, yea, i read the last page about you hammering on about your GF and her political views and also aligning patriotism with being a member of the NRA, and democrats being pro baby killers.

[PHATJ]

Yeah, Josh, buddy, I really don't want to pile on but this reads like so much projection.

You guys really just can’t handle a single person not being a liberal, can you?

Honestly, it seems like the opposite is true. You talk a lot about how much you love pwning the libs. You've said one of your favorite things about Trump is the way he pwns the libs.

Are you sure it's not that you just can't handle a single person being a liberal?

My girlfriend is a life long Democrat and is a highly successful campaign manager that has won statewide elections as large as governor races. I love her more than anything in the world. I’m pretty sure I can handle being around liberals.

It's interesting to me then that putting one over on them is so important to you. I would think having intellectually honest discussions and trying to listen to the other would be even more valuable for you.

A few more things about her. She has worked in politics her entire career, about 20 years. She has worked at the capital under Democratic leadership. She worked for environmental causes and wrote bills that became law. She has worked as a lobbyist, typically representing environmentally focused companies. And for the last decade or so has been a campaign manager - all for Democratic candidates. She is currently running two campaigns. Actually, she’s running a press conference announcing a candidate as I write this. She voted for Hillary and has a significant distaste for Trump.

You know what else is True? She is the most patriotic person I know. She loves America and our military. She is a gun owner and has a lifetime NRA membership. She’s against illegal immigration (even though her father is a nationally respected immigration lawyer that has been asked multiple times to speak in congress on behalf of immigrants). She has changed from being pro-choice to pro-life over the last few years, mostly due to the extreme nature of the calls for abortion on demand, and the willingness of democrats to embrace extremes like partial birth abortion and even infanticide, along with the personal conviction that life is precious and our most innocent and dependent people should be protected and loved, not killed. She is an avowed capitalist. She is in favor of free markets and thinks socialism is against American principles.

During the 2018 elections she split her votes between Democrats and Republicans. Voting for the first time for any republican in her life. She said she decided to “vote for the best and most qualified candidates, not the team they are on”. She even voted against a democrat candidate in the governors election that she had previously run a successful campaign for when he won a seat in the state senate. She said “he was unqualified and far too immature to hold that office”. No one would know better than her.

She believes, like I do, that the Democrats are losing their base. Both with moderates and minorities. She sees it first hand in the fundraising and political calls she makes daily. She says that the Dems is losing voters over the economy, and over far-left views on things like immigration, taxes, embracing socialism, and being tied to ideology that supports things like idea of limitless genders, abortion on demand, and government run healthcare.

We are still a year out from the next presidential election, and she has no idea who she will vote for. Like I said, she doesn’t support Trump. She thinks Biden is an idiot. She can’t stand Warren or Bernie, and she doesn’t really think any of the other Dems stand a chance. So we’ll see what comes of it.

So basically, you’re changing her over to your side.

And I have a huge problem equating her patriotism to membership in the NRA.

Actually we’ve both changed each other’s views on certain topics, but no, I wouldn’t say I’m changing her to my side and neither would she. She would say the party has shifted so far left it is no longer interested in representing moderate Democrats. She is still a Dem. She works for Dems. She’s running two democratic campaigns right now. But she chooses to work for the most conservative Democrats in the races she participates in. She’s pushing back against the far left that has taken over her party. But she certainly hasn’t become a Republican. At least not yet. Maybe someday.

[PHATJ]

Also fuck republicans for hammering on about "less government" but have no problem with the government infringing on a womans rights and marriage equality.

TRUMP IS PRO GAY MARRIAGE. And I seriously only know a couple of republicans who aren’t. That’s another bullshit narrative. And protecting innocent life is more important that anyone’s “right” to kill it.

I'll be honest I'm not sure of Trump individually and gay marriage, I know he has pushed some anti-trans gender things recently. But I'll definitely disagree on the "most republicans" part. ALL republicans I know, including most of my family, are very anti gay marriage.

And yes, that is why i stated REPUBLICANS

I seriously only know a handful of Republicans that are against gay marriage. Honestly. In fact I’d guess about 90% of the republicans I know could not possibly care less about the subject. That includes me.

[wease]

Yeah, Josh, buddy, I really don't want to pile on but this reads like so much projection.

You guys really just can’t handle a single person not being a liberal, can you?

Honestly, it seems like the opposite is true. You talk a lot about how much you love pwning the libs. You've said one of your favorite things about Trump is the way he pwns the libs.

Are you sure it's not that you just can't handle a single person being a liberal?

My girlfriend is a life long Democrat and is a highly successful campaign manager that has won statewide elections as large as governor races. I love her more than anything in the world. I’m pretty sure I can handle being around liberals.

It's interesting to me then that putting one over on them is so important to you. I would think having intellectually honest discussions and trying to listen to the other would be even more valuable for you.

A few more things about her. She has worked in politics her entire career, about 20 years. She has worked at the capital under Democratic leadership. She worked for environmental causes and wrote bills that became law. She has worked as a lobbyist, typically representing environmentally focused companies. And for the last decade or so has been a campaign manager - all for Democratic candidates. She is currently running two campaigns. Actually, she’s running a press conference announcing a candidate as I write this. She voted for Hillary and has a significant distaste for Trump.

You know what else is True? She is the most patriotic person I know. She loves America and our military. She is a gun owner and has a lifetime NRA membership. She’s against illegal immigration (even though her father is a nationally respected immigration lawyer that has been asked multiple times to speak in congress on behalf of immigrants). She has changed from being pro-choice to pro-life over the last few years, mostly due to the extreme nature of the calls for abortion on demand, and the willingness of democrats to embrace extremes like partial birth abortion and even infanticide, along with the personal conviction that life is precious and our most innocent and dependent people should be protected and loved, not killed. She is an avowed capitalist. She is in favor of free markets and thinks socialism is against American principles.

During the 2018 elections she split her votes between Democrats and Republicans. Voting for the first time for any republican in her life. She said she decided to “vote for the best and most qualified candidates, not the team they are on”. She even voted against a democrat candidate in the governors election that she had previously run a successful campaign for when he won a seat in the state senate. She said “he was unqualified and far too immature to hold that office”. No one would know better than her.

She believes, like I do, that the Democrats are losing their base. Both with moderates and minorities. She sees it first hand in the fundraising and political calls she makes daily. She says that the Dems is losing voters over the economy, and over far-left views on things like immigration, taxes, embracing socialism, and being tied to ideology that supports things like idea of limitless genders, abortion on demand, and government run healthcare.

We are still a year out from the next presidential election, and she has no idea who she will vote for. Like I said, she doesn’t support Trump. She thinks Biden is an idiot. She can’t stand Warren or Bernie, and she doesn’t really think any of the other Dems stand a chance. So we’ll see what comes of it.

So basically, you’re changing her over to your side.

And I have a huge problem equating her patriotism to membership in the NRA.

Actually we’ve both changed each other’s views on certain topics, but no, I wouldn’t say I’m changing her to my side and neither would she. She would say the party has shifted so far left it is no longer interested in representing moderate Democrats. She is still a Dem. She works for Dems. She’s running two democratic campaigns right now. But she chooses to work for the most conservative Democrats in the races she participates in. She’s pushing back against the far left that has taken over her party. But she certainly hasn’t become a Republican. At least not yet. Maybe someday.

As a Democrat, I don’t feel that the entire party has gone quite so extremely left as you’d like to paint it. Which is part of the party’s problem. It’s struggling for a solid identity and the struggle is splitting it.

[epilogue]

This is kinda why anecdotal evidence is nonsense. "Look, everyone I know...!" just isn't ultimately valuable.

It's just like saying the Democratic Party is moving too far to the left. There is a ton of data and statistics out there that argues that just isn't true. That doesn't mean we all don't know people who think that way. But it would seem that the majority does not.

[Monkey_Driven]

Also fuck republicans for hammering on about "less government" but have no problem with the government infringing on a womans rights and marriage equality.

TRUMP IS PRO GAY MARRIAGE. And I seriously only know a couple of republicans who aren’t. That’s another bullshit narrative. And protecting innocent life is more important that anyone’s “right” to kill it.

I'll be honest I'm not sure of Trump individually and gay marriage, I know he has pushed some anti-trans gender things recently. But I'll definitely disagree on the "most republicans" part. ALL republicans I know, including most of my family, are very anti gay marriage.

And yes, that is why i stated REPUBLICANS

I seriously only know a handful of Republicans that are against gay marriage. Honestly. In fact I’d guess about 90% of the republicans I know could not possibly care less about the subject. That includes me.

Everyone in my office is pro-pineapple on pizza, but that doesn't mean shit for the nation's opinion.

[PHATJ]

The point is made in the details. Democrats do not support killing infants. You think it’s making a point that you have a girlfriend who is shifting politically, but comments like that are the exact obfuscation and lying that are the root of the problem. I don’t say republicans want to kill immigrants in firing squads because they don’t. Stop trying to set the starting point of a debate on democrats support killing infants. There’s no rational discussion to be had when you blow credibility by demanding democrats support things that they don’t, including infanticide, partial birth abortion, socialism, free and open borders, etc. THAT is the reason we can’t have a peaceful political discussion.

But that is what his facebook meme said to him

Get the fuck off that, Strat. I posted some memes that annoyed you. Get over it.

It's everything you post. As everyone in this thread has pointed out to you on a regular basis.

Everything I post? Did you read the last page? Fuck off with that nonsense. There’s literally an entire thread of thousands of political memes, of which I’ve posted a tiny percentage, and I’m fairly certain the VAST majority of the other memes and posters are significantly liberal sided. You are just being a bitch about the memes I post. Get over it.

I'll get over it when a certain sect of society stops getting their information from bullshit memes. Also, yea, i read the last page about you hammering on about your GF and her political views and also aligning patriotism with being a member of the NRA, and democrats being pro baby killers.

Hammering on my girlfriend? That’s completely inaccurate and just a flat out lie. I didn’t align being an NRA member to being a patriot (I’m not a member, never have been, and have no interest in joining), I mentioned it so that you assholes would see that not every democrat has to believe the liberal lie that the NRA is a fucking terrorist organization. And killing babies in the womb is simply that; killing babies. I don’t give a fuck if that offends you. That’s reality. No matter how much justification you want to give it, it’s still sucking a baby’s brain out with a vacuum, tearing its human body limb from limb, dismembering it and pulling it out piece by piece. All while that baby feels pain and has a beating heart and active brain. So yeah, you go ahead and be offended that I am pro-life. I’ll be offended that you justify carnage and call it “choice”.