Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

[harmless]

"your whole tone for anticipating the album is "I want this" and "something that sounds like this song would be great". You sound like someone operating a jukebox."

If that's not unnecessarily confrontational, I really don't know what is.

Here's what sounds unneccesarily confrontational: "go away".

You'll live. I could've been ruder about it. I want you to stop assuming I'm being negative about the new album based on zero evidence. Or if you can't do that, yes, go away. Please.

Man alive, you need a hug.

I need fewer fucking medical appointments every week, that's for sure. Oh, and to stop being a dickhead.

[Tuolumne]

"your whole tone for anticipating the album is "I want this" and "something that sounds like this song would be great". You sound like someone operating a jukebox."

If that's not unnecessarily confrontational, I really don't know what is.

Here's what sounds unneccesarily confrontational: "go away".

You'll live. I could've been ruder about it. I want you to stop assuming I'm being negative about the new album based on zero evidence. Or if you can't do that, yes, go away. Please.

No, now I'll definitely stick around, simply because you're an irrational asshole. Read my first message to you again. I'm making my tone (people confuse tone alot around here, including me) VERY clear, it was from a respectful standpoint. I SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT so you wouldn't confuse the tone. On top of that, where am I saying exactly you're "being negative"? I'm simply providing a different viewpoint that you could take, or not. It must really suck to be a bitter jerk.

[harmless]

I think Matt Cameron is an OK drummer, who's style is not well suited for PJ.

As for a songwriter, just my opinion, but I think he's absolute garbage. By far the worst in the band. That said, he came up with one great tune: Cropduster. I'll give him credit for that.

The songs he's written (solo) outside of that all blow - Evacuation, You Are, Get Right and In the Moonlight.

I'll give him a bit of credit for his parts in Unemployable, Save You, and Johnny Guitar.... and even The Fixer is also mediocre (musically, lyrics suck). But, who knows how involved he was in each. To me, I feel like I know exactly what he contributed. I can hear it.

You can tell immediately when it's a Matt Cameron song (or if he was involved in writing) because it's schizophrenic rhythmically on guitar. In my opinion Evacuation describes his writing style. It's all over the place. I kinda wish he never joined PJ. I think they'd be a better band.

This made me sick to my stomach. Go away.

Yeah, quite a lot of wrong in that post.

[Cleverman]

I think Matt Cameron is an OK drummer, who's style is not well suited for PJ.

As for a songwriter, just my opinion, but I think he's absolute garbage. By far the worst in the band. That said, he came up with one great tune: Cropduster. I'll give him credit for that.

The songs he's written (solo) outside of that all blow - Evacuation, You Are, Get Right and In the Moonlight.

I'll give him a bit of credit for his parts in Unemployable, Save You, and Johnny Guitar.... and even The Fixer is also mediocre (musically, lyrics suck). But, who knows how involved he was in each. To me, I feel like I know exactly what he contributed. I can hear it.

You can tell immediately when it's a Matt Cameron song (or if he was involved in writing) because it's schizophrenic rhythmically on guitar. In my opinion Evacuation describes his writing style. It's all over the place. I kinda wish he never joined PJ. I think they'd be a better band.

This made me sick to my stomach. Go away.

to botch a quote from Big Lebowski: "well that's like, your opinion, man"

[IlluminEddie]

I think Matt Cameron is an OK drummer, who's style is not well suited for PJ.

As for a songwriter, just my opinion, but I think he's absolute garbage. By far the worst in the band. That said, he came up with one great tune: Cropduster. I'll give him credit for that.

The songs he's written (solo) outside of that all blow - Evacuation, You Are, Get Right and In the Moonlight.

I'll give him a bit of credit for his parts in Unemployable, Save You, and Johnny Guitar.... and even The Fixer is also mediocre (musically, lyrics suck). But, who knows how involved he was in each. To me, I feel like I know exactly what he contributed. I can hear it.

You can tell immediately when it's a Matt Cameron song (or if he was involved in writing) because it's schizophrenic rhythmically on guitar. In my opinion Evacuation describes his writing style. It's all over the place. I kinda wish he never joined PJ. I think they'd be a better band.

This made me sick to my stomach. Go away.

Get some Pepto.

He's a terrible songwriter - it's a fact. The band's worse, since he's joined.

[Jaeti]

I think it's very possible that Lightning Bolt and Future Days will be, in general, two of the least-liked songs on the album. I think they'll be least representative of the mood as a whole. I think this album will feel a lot like Binaural, with a dash of Riot Act tossed in, and that this will be a very good recipe indeed.

Those, mixed with a little yield and a bit of Backspacer polish. This sounds really light, dark, straightforward, strange, slow, fast. Eclectic. I'm hoping for that, it seems like the best scenario for a rock band with a pop producer. If BO'B needs this record to have some pop in it, throw some darkness in and have loads of sounds disagreeing and clashing.

i.e. a logical extension of Backspacer. I think its going to be very difficult for them to escape that mold of tighter songwriting - and letting the songs breathe more. I speculate, at least, they've tried to do a bit of that with this album. But, the similarities will still be quite noticeable.

I dunno. I think it's actually not going to feel like a "logical extension of Backspacer."

[Jaeti]

"your whole tone for anticipating the album is "I want this" and "something that sounds like this song would be great". You sound like someone operating a jukebox."

If that's not unnecessarily confrontational, I really don't know what is.

Here's what sounds unneccesarily confrontational: "go away".

You'll live. I could've been ruder about it. I want you to stop assuming I'm being negative about the new album based on zero evidence. Or if you can't do that, yes, go away. Please.

Man alive, you need a hug.

So, what I'm also hoping with this album, is that it will change the dynamic of the live show. If it is a little bit heavier/moodier than backspacer then perhaps songs from Binaural and Riot Act will find easier placement in the setlist.

I can see how the mood of Backspacer dictated how those shows/tours were. Fitting in with the whole light hearted celebratory vibe the band was going for....

Yes. This.

[digster]

I think it's very possible that Lightning Bolt and Future Days will be, in general, two of the least-liked songs on the album. I think they'll be least representative of the mood as a whole. I think this album will feel a lot like Binaural, with a dash of Riot Act tossed in, and that this will be a very good recipe indeed.

Those, mixed with a little yield and a bit of Backspacer polish. This sounds really light, dark, straightforward, strange, slow, fast. Eclectic. I'm hoping for that, it seems like the best scenario for a rock band with a pop producer. If BO'B needs this record to have some pop in it, throw some darkness in and have loads of sounds disagreeing and clashing.

i.e. a logical extension of Backspacer. I think its going to be very difficult for them to escape that mold of tighter songwriting - and letting the songs breathe more. I speculate, at least, they've tried to do a bit of that with this album. But, the similarities will still be quite noticeable.

I dunno. I think it's actually not going to feel like a "logical extension of Backspacer."

I feel like that's been an accurate representation of the three songs we have so far. It's possible of course that the rest of the record goes in a very different direction, but we'll see.

[Habitman]

Can we end this now?

"your whole tone for anticipating the album is "I want this" and "something that sounds like this song would be great". You sound like someone operating a jukebox."

If that's not unnecessarily confrontational, I really don't know what is.

Here's what sounds unneccesarily confrontational: "go away".

You'll live. I could've been ruder about it. I want you to stop assuming I'm being negative about the new album based on zero evidence. Or if you can't do that, yes, go away. Please.

how about U stop being a dickhead?

[harmless]

"your whole tone for anticipating the album is "I want this" and "something that sounds like this song would be great". You sound like someone operating a jukebox."

If that's not unnecessarily confrontational, I really don't know what is.

Here's what sounds unneccesarily confrontational: "go away".

You'll live. I could've been ruder about it. I want you to stop assuming I'm being negative about the new album based on zero evidence. Or if you can't do that, yes, go away. Please.

No, now I'll definitely stick around, simply because you're an irrational asshole. Read my first message to you again. I'm making my tone (people confuse tone alot around here, including me) VERY clear, it was from a respectful standpoint. I SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT so you wouldn't confuse the tone. On top of that, where am I saying exactly you're "being negative"? I'm simply providing a different viewpoint that you could take, or not. It must really suck to be a bitter jerk.

The thing is, you explicitly stated what tone you were using. That's great. But I didn't. So you had no idea that 'Go away' was not meant to mean 'Hithee out of my presence, heathen.' Because the thing is, we're both sitting at computers. I really was just telling you that I don't need my "jukebox expectations" criticised, because I really don't have any. At all. I didn't appreciate you implying that I was one of these entitled fans who expect PJ to bow to every wish. I don't. But every single fan, if they are a fan at all, have wants and wishes for the next album. You've really got to take my speculation with a pinch of salt, man. That's what it is. You also have to stop calling me names. Because I haven't called you anything.

[stip]

Ed talked mostly, but the projector was really dark and the sound quality
not that good so that we couldn't understand anything.

That's because it probably wasn't an Eddie Vedder projector.

[Cleverman]

"your whole tone for anticipating the album is "I want this" and "something that sounds like this song would be great". You sound like someone operating a jukebox."

If that's not unnecessarily confrontational, I really don't know what is.

Here's what sounds unneccesarily confrontational: "go away".

You'll live. I could've been ruder about it. I want you to stop assuming I'm being negative about the new album based on zero evidence. Or if you can't do that, yes, go away. Please.

Man alive, you need a hug.

So, what I'm also hoping with this album, is that it will change the dynamic of the live show. If it is a little bit heavier/moodier than backspacer then perhaps songs from Binaural and Riot Act will find easier placement in the setlist.

I can see how the mood of Backspacer dictated how those shows/tours were. Fitting in with the whole light hearted celebratory vibe the band was going for....

Yes. This.

Yes, if just the main set can concentrate on newer material mixed with Binaural and RA songs to fit the vibe, they can suck each other off all they want in the encores (Betterman, Fixer, Baba, RITFW, Alive)

[Strat]

Im going to block both of you children

[melonhead4]

I like Matt songs but can't think of any in the PJ catalog that are essential, but it's still early

These 2 are essential, at least for my ears:
Cropduster
In The Moonlight

And In The Moonlight? Shit, yeah, I put my foot in my mouth on this one. Maybe I should be pissed he's not on the new record after all.

Evacuation really doesn't get enough love either. That might be my favorite of his PJ songs.

Evacuation is a little underrated, prob one of the worst on Binaural but def not a bad song...Love the outro

[harmless]

I think Matt Cameron is an OK drummer, who's style is not well suited for PJ.

As for a songwriter, just my opinion, but I think he's absolute garbage. By far the worst in the band. That said, he came up with one great tune: Cropduster. I'll give him credit for that.

The songs he's written (solo) outside of that all blow - Evacuation, You Are, Get Right and In the Moonlight.

I'll give him a bit of credit for his parts in Unemployable, Save You, and Johnny Guitar.... and even The Fixer is also mediocre (musically, lyrics suck). But, who knows how involved he was in each. To me, I feel like I know exactly what he contributed. I can hear it.

You can tell immediately when it's a Matt Cameron song (or if he was involved in writing) because it's schizophrenic rhythmically on guitar. In my opinion Evacuation describes his writing style. It's all over the place. I kinda wish he never joined PJ. I think they'd be a better band.

This made me sick to my stomach. Go away.

Get some Pepto.

He's a terrible songwriter - it's a fact. The band's worse, since he's joined.

Your 'facts' are pretty much my favourite thing about this board.

[EJ]

]

Can't argue with "facts."

[harmless]

The band isn't worse since Matt joined, the band's worse since Dave A and Jack left. And if anyone quotes me and puts a strike-through over Dave A, I'll be really pissed off.

[IlluminEddie]

I think Matt Cameron is an OK drummer, who's style is not well suited for PJ.

As for a songwriter, just my opinion, but I think he's absolute garbage. By far the worst in the band. That said, he came up with one great tune: Cropduster. I'll give him credit for that.

The songs he's written (solo) outside of that all blow - Evacuation, You Are, Get Right and In the Moonlight.

I'll give him a bit of credit for his parts in Unemployable, Save You, and Johnny Guitar.... and even The Fixer is also mediocre (musically, lyrics suck). But, who knows how involved he was in each. To me, I feel like I know exactly what he contributed. I can hear it.

You can tell immediately when it's a Matt Cameron song (or if he was involved in writing) because it's schizophrenic rhythmically on guitar. In my opinion Evacuation describes his writing style. It's all over the place. I kinda wish he never joined PJ. I think they'd be a better band.

This made me sick to my stomach. Go away.

Get some Pepto.

He's a terrible songwriter - it's a fact. The band's worse, since he's joined.

Your 'facts' are pretty much my favourite thing about this board.

What I find funny is all of these experts on judging songwriting who probably blow at writing music. How exactly do you measure a good song?

To me, his music is typically off-beat, schizophrenic, shit. He's 100% a drummer trying to write music on a guitar. And, if you didn't know, that's very... unpleasant to normal human ears.

Once again, one exception - Crop Duster. For some reason, that one works.

[Dr. Van Nostrand]

Excitement: Rising.

[southp]

Been offline since yesterday afternoon... I caught some of the fan reviews, but were there any comments from BoB that are floating around?