Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker

[Anders]

Based fully on TFA and to a minor degree on TLJ, Rey not being connected to someone, and Kylo being the main villain, would have been very poor decisions, and that has nothing to do with bravery. Like I’ve pointed out before, no one else in the trilogy is connected to anyone. All of it has to do with the story told in TFA.

You don’t have to be a Skywalker/Palpatine to use the force, never have. But the power involved from Palpatine is extremely powerful (Phantom Menace/Revenge Of The Sith/Return Of The Jedi). And that is a vital part of this nine movie saga. To ignore with many of the same characters would make for poor storytelling.

Crazy talk.

How so?

[BurtReynolds]

She was in the new version of Murder on the Orient Express. She was pretty good in it too

I've been wanting to see that one.

[Anders]

I enjoyed it the best out of the sequels. I liked the pacing in the beginning....one adventure to the next like an old serial. It bogged down a bit towards the end of the second act. I was spoiler free but nothing really surprised me. I like Kylo and Rey. Everyone else was fine but kinda just there. It basically put everyone back to where they ended with Jedi. Kinda makes you wonder what the point was outside of seeing our favorites from the original trilogy die in unsatisfying ways. It was fun afternoon with the family though. Wife and kids loved it. It's hard not to get swept up in their enthusiasm. Could have used baby yoda.

Love me some baby Yoda. Glad you enjoyed it.

[Anders]

She was in the new version of Murder on the Orient Express. She was pretty good in it too

I've been wanting to see that one.

It’s the worst of the three movie versions. Solid story originally though.

[BurtReynolds]

Based fully on TFA and to a minor degree on TLJ, Rey not being connected to someone, and Kylo being the main villain, would have been very poor decisions, and that has nothing to do with bravery. Like I’ve pointed out before, no one else in the trilogy is connected to anyone. All of it has to do with the story told in TFA.

You don’t have to be a Skywalker/Palpatine to use the force, never have. But the power involved from Palpatine is extremely powerful (Phantom Menace/Revenge Of The Sith/Return Of The Jedi). And that is a vital part of this nine movie saga. To ignore with many of the same characters would make for poor storytelling.

Crazy talk.

How so?

This idea that there is no way to deviate from doing the same thing over again because it won't fit into Star Wars just shows a lack of imagination. It's certainly possible. Even these movies have been recontextualized a few times. Heck, the first movie suggested that anyone could be a Jedi and that bloodlines didn't matter. You could totally continue that thread after TLJ, and it would have given these characters some chance to stand on their own for once.

[Anders]

Based fully on TFA and to a minor degree on TLJ, Rey not being connected to someone, and Kylo being the main villain, would have been very poor decisions, and that has nothing to do with bravery. Like I’ve pointed out before, no one else in the trilogy is connected to anyone. All of it has to do with the story told in TFA.

You don’t have to be a Skywalker/Palpatine to use the force, never have. But the power involved from Palpatine is extremely powerful (Phantom Menace/Revenge Of The Sith/Return Of The Jedi). And that is a vital part of this nine movie saga. To ignore with many of the same characters would make for poor storytelling.

Crazy talk.

How so?

This idea that there is no way to deviate from doing the same thing over again because it won't fit into Star Wars just shows a lack of imagination. It's certainly possible. Even these movies have been recontextualized a few times. Heck, the first movie suggested that anyone could be a Jedi and that bloodlines didn't matter. You could totally continue that thread after TLJ, and it would have given these characters some chance to stand on their own for once.

Let’s make this clear once and for all: Anyone (not everyone) can be a jedi. Genetics can matter, as they did from the first act of A New Hope. Most people in TROS do not come from any significant bloodline that we know of. Rey was set up from the very start of TFA to be different than that, and very much connected.

No one said you have to do the same thing over again, rather you would want the final chapter in a book to be connected to the previous eight chapters, and not be a separate thing.

[wease]

Based fully on TFA and to a minor degree on TLJ, Rey not being connected to someone, and Kylo being the main villain, would have been very poor decisions, and that has nothing to do with bravery. Like I’ve pointed out before, no one else in the trilogy is connected to anyone. All of it has to do with the story told in TFA.

You don’t have to be a Skywalker/Palpatine to use the force, never have. But the power involved from Palpatine is extremely powerful (Phantom Menace/Revenge Of The Sith/Return Of The Jedi). And that is a vital part of this nine movie saga. To ignore with many of the same characters would make for poor storytelling.

Crazy talk.

How so?

This idea that there is no way to deviate from doing the same thing over again because it won't fit into Star Wars just shows a lack of imagination. It's certainly possible. Even these movies have been recontextualized a few times. Heck, the first movie suggested that anyone could be a Jedi and that bloodlines didn't matter. You could totally continue that thread after TLJ, and it would have given these characters some chance to stand on their own for once.

Let’s make this clear once and fior all: Anyone (not everyone) can be a jedi. Genetics can matter, as they did from the first act of A New Hope. Most people in TROS do not come from any significant bloodline that we know of. Rey was set up from the very start of TFA to be different than that, and very much connected.

No one said you have to do the same thing over again, rather you would want the final chapter in a book to be connected to the previous eight chapters, and not be a separate thing.

That doesn’t mean you have to remake the previous chapters. They can be connected (and I’m all for it) and not have the plots pulled from all the other movies.

[BurtReynolds]

Based fully on TFA and to a minor degree on TLJ, Rey not being connected to someone, and Kylo being the main villain, would have been very poor decisions, and that has nothing to do with bravery. Like I’ve pointed out before, no one else in the trilogy is connected to anyone. All of it has to do with the story told in TFA.

You don’t have to be a Skywalker/Palpatine to use the force, never have. But the power involved from Palpatine is extremely powerful (Phantom Menace/Revenge Of The Sith/Return Of The Jedi). And that is a vital part of this nine movie saga. To ignore with many of the same characters would make for poor storytelling.

Crazy talk.

How so?

This idea that there is no way to deviate from doing the same thing over again because it won't fit into Star Wars just shows a lack of imagination. It's certainly possible. Even these movies have been recontextualized a few times. Heck, the first movie suggested that anyone could be a Jedi and that bloodlines didn't matter. You could totally continue that thread after TLJ, and it would have given these characters some chance to stand on their own for once.

Let’s make this clear once and fior all: Anyone (not everyone) can be a jedi. Genetics can matter, as they did from the first act of A New Hope. Most people in TROS do not come from any significant bloodline that we know of. Rey was set up from the very start of TFA to be different than that, and very much connected.

No one said you have to do the same thing over again, rather you would want the final chapter in a book to be connected to the previous eight chapters, and not be a separate thing.

You could argue that there is still some mileage to be had out of the bloodlines thing (though this movie didn't convince me that there is), but to say it's a necessary component isn't true. It's not poor storytelling to not do that yet again and instead go in the direction Johnson went.

It's funny that most of the biggest detractors of TLJ (and I certainly am one of them), had no problem with Rey being a nobody. It's a complaint few had. In fact, it's probably the best idea that movie had.

[Anders]

Based fully on TFA and to a minor degree on TLJ, Rey not being connected to someone, and Kylo being the main villain, would have been very poor decisions, and that has nothing to do with bravery. Like I’ve pointed out before, no one else in the trilogy is connected to anyone. All of it has to do with the story told in TFA.

You don’t have to be a Skywalker/Palpatine to use the force, never have. But the power involved from Palpatine is extremely powerful (Phantom Menace/Revenge Of The Sith/Return Of The Jedi). And that is a vital part of this nine movie saga. To ignore with many of the same characters would make for poor storytelling.

Crazy talk.

How so?

This idea that there is no way to deviate from doing the same thing over again because it won't fit into Star Wars just shows a lack of imagination. It's certainly possible. Even these movies have been recontextualized a few times. Heck, the first movie suggested that anyone could be a Jedi and that bloodlines didn't matter. You could totally continue that thread after TLJ, and it would have given these characters some chance to stand on their own for once.

Let’s make this clear once and fior all: Anyone (not everyone) can be a jedi. Genetics can matter, as they did from the first act of A New Hope. Most people in TROS do not come from any significant bloodline that we know of. Rey was set up from the very start of TFA to be different than that, and very much connected.

No one said you have to do the same thing over again, rather you would want the final chapter in a book to be connected to the previous eight chapters, and not be a separate thing.

That doesn’t mean you have to remake the previous chapters. They can be connected (and I’m all for it) and not have the plots pulled from all the other movies.

I do not feel that TROS was a remake. I think it used elements of what has been before in a logical and smart way. Like the battle between Rey and Kylo being similar but opposite to the battle between Anakin and Obi-Wan from epi 3.

[Anders]

Based fully on TFA and to a minor degree on TLJ, Rey not being connected to someone, and Kylo being the main villain, would have been very poor decisions, and that has nothing to do with bravery. Like I’ve pointed out before, no one else in the trilogy is connected to anyone. All of it has to do with the story told in TFA.

You don’t have to be a Skywalker/Palpatine to use the force, never have. But the power involved from Palpatine is extremely powerful (Phantom Menace/Revenge Of The Sith/Return Of The Jedi). And that is a vital part of this nine movie saga. To ignore with many of the same characters would make for poor storytelling.

Crazy talk.

How so?

This idea that there is no way to deviate from doing the same thing over again because it won't fit into Star Wars just shows a lack of imagination. It's certainly possible. Even these movies have been recontextualized a few times. Heck, the first movie suggested that anyone could be a Jedi and that bloodlines didn't matter. You could totally continue that thread after TLJ, and it would have given these characters some chance to stand on their own for once.

Let’s make this clear once and fior all: Anyone (not everyone) can be a jedi. Genetics can matter, as they did from the first act of A New Hope. Most people in TROS do not come from any significant bloodline that we know of. Rey was set up from the very start of TFA to be different than that, and very much connected.

No one said you have to do the same thing over again, rather you would want the final chapter in a book to be connected to the previous eight chapters, and not be a separate thing.

You could argue that there is still some mileage to be had out of the bloodlines thing (though this movie didn't convince me that there is), but to say it's a necessary component isn't true. It's not poor storytelling to not do that yet again and instead go in the direction Johnson went.

It's funny that most of the biggest detractors of TLJ (and I certainly am one of them), had no problem with Rey being a nobody. It's a complaint few had. In fact, it's probably the best idea that movie had.

Based on Rey in TFA and the placement of this trilogy in a nine movie saga, Rey actually being the daughter of drunks, and nothing else, would have been a terrible idea. Where is the cohesion? Where is the connection? What would be the point of this story being a part pf the saga before it?

[BurtReynolds]

Based fully on TFA and to a minor degree on TLJ, Rey not being connected to someone, and Kylo being the main villain, would have been very poor decisions, and that has nothing to do with bravery. Like I’ve pointed out before, no one else in the trilogy is connected to anyone. All of it has to do with the story told in TFA.

You don’t have to be a Skywalker/Palpatine to use the force, never have. But the power involved from Palpatine is extremely powerful (Phantom Menace/Revenge Of The Sith/Return Of The Jedi). And that is a vital part of this nine movie saga. To ignore with many of the same characters would make for poor storytelling.

Crazy talk.

How so?

This idea that there is no way to deviate from doing the same thing over again because it won't fit into Star Wars just shows a lack of imagination. It's certainly possible. Even these movies have been recontextualized a few times. Heck, the first movie suggested that anyone could be a Jedi and that bloodlines didn't matter. You could totally continue that thread after TLJ, and it would have given these characters some chance to stand on their own for once.

Let’s make this clear once and fior all: Anyone (not everyone) can be a jedi. Genetics can matter, as they did from the first act of A New Hope. Most people in TROS do not come from any significant bloodline that we know of. Rey was set up from the very start of TFA to be different than that, and very much connected.

No one said you have to do the same thing over again, rather you would want the final chapter in a book to be connected to the previous eight chapters, and not be a separate thing.

You could argue that there is still some mileage to be had out of the bloodlines thing (though this movie didn't convince me that there is), but to say it's a necessary component isn't true. It's not poor storytelling to not do that yet again and instead go in the direction Johnson went.

It's funny that most of the biggest detractors of TLJ (and I certainly am one of them), had no problem with Rey being a nobody. It's a complaint few had. In fact, it's probably the best idea that movie had.

Based on Rey in TFA and the placement of this trilogy in a nine movie saga, Rey actually being the daughter of drunks, and nothing else, would have been a terrible idea. Where is the cohesion? Where is the connection? What would be the point of this story being a part pf the saga before it?

You're asking me to write how it should have gone, but I will say that you already have Kylo being part of that lineage, so the connection is there. Rey doesn't need to be related to anyone. She could represent something new.

[BurtReynolds]

Plus let's not even get into the incest thing.

[Anders]

Based fully on TFA and to a minor degree on TLJ, Rey not being connected to someone, and Kylo being the main villain, would have been very poor decisions, and that has nothing to do with bravery. Like I’ve pointed out before, no one else in the trilogy is connected to anyone. All of it has to do with the story told in TFA.

You don’t have to be a Skywalker/Palpatine to use the force, never have. But the power involved from Palpatine is extremely powerful (Phantom Menace/Revenge Of The Sith/Return Of The Jedi). And that is a vital part of this nine movie saga. To ignore with many of the same characters would make for poor storytelling.

Crazy talk.

How so?

This idea that there is no way to deviate from doing the same thing over again because it won't fit into Star Wars just shows a lack of imagination. It's certainly possible. Even these movies have been recontextualized a few times. Heck, the first movie suggested that anyone could be a Jedi and that bloodlines didn't matter. You could totally continue that thread after TLJ, and it would have given these characters some chance to stand on their own for once.

Let’s make this clear once and fior all: Anyone (not everyone) can be a jedi. Genetics can matter, as they did from the first act of A New Hope. Most people in TROS do not come from any significant bloodline that we know of. Rey was set up from the very start of TFA to be different than that, and very much connected.

No one said you have to do the same thing over again, rather you would want the final chapter in a book to be connected to the previous eight chapters, and not be a separate thing.

You could argue that there is still some mileage to be had out of the bloodlines thing (though this movie didn't convince me that there is), but to say it's a necessary component isn't true. It's not poor storytelling to not do that yet again and instead go in the direction Johnson went.

It's funny that most of the biggest detractors of TLJ (and I certainly am one of them), had no problem with Rey being a nobody. It's a complaint few had. In fact, it's probably the best idea that movie had.

Based on Rey in TFA and the placement of this trilogy in a nine movie saga, Rey actually being the daughter of drunks, and nothing else, would have been a terrible idea. Where is the cohesion? Where is the connection? What would be the point of this story being a part pf the saga before it?

You're asking me to write how it should have gone, but I will say that you already have Kylo being part of that lineage, so the connection is there. Rey doesn't need to be related to anyone. She could represent something new.

First Rey would have to be set up differently in TFA, and Kylo’s role would have to be different for his connection to the past being enough in the continuing saga.

[Anders]

Plus let's not even get into the incest thing.

I’m not sure Palpatine is considered to be Anakin’s biological father.

[BurtReynolds]

Personally, I like the idea of the Skywalkers being a special exception (because of how Anakin was born) to the rule that force users are essentially random. But making that a general rule that children of force users makes you more likely to be one is pretty boring. Being Palpatine's grandkid shouldn't bestow any special powers on you.

But that's just how I'd do it. I assume special bloodlines has been done to death before these movies in the EU.

[BurtReynolds]

Plus let's not even get into the incest thing.

I’m not sure Palpatine is considered to be Anakin’s biological father.

Yeah I agree. But the callback to Luke and Leia kissing is too good to ignore! It's like poetry. It rhymes.

[VinylGuy]

I felt the Palps connection with Rey was also poorly handed...there never was a hint that palps had family. Now, he had a son? And he seemed a fairly regular guy too.

It was weird not to mention something in the previous movies or comic books or whatever.

[Anders]

Personally, I like the idea of the Skywalkers being a special exception to the rule that force users are essentially random (because of how Anakin was born.) But making that a general rule that children of force users makes you more likely to be one is pretty boring. Being Palpatine's grandkid shouldn't bestow any special powers on you.

But that's just how I'd do it. I assume special bloodlines has been done to death before these movies in the EU.

It’s probably like real life. Sometimes genes matter, but more often they don’t. Like atlethes and their children.

Palpatine is certainly a special case.

[Biff Pocoroba]

Driver is probably an A-lister in the coming decade.

I think he already is. It's been cool to watch the guy from Girls career explode. Plus he's really good.

[Anders]

Yes, fantastic actor.