Election 2020

[Hatfield]

Guys, it is getting easier by the day now that I've accepted that the democrats are going to lose. My anger went from being mad that Trump will be president again, to angry that the dems don't see the failure potential of their disorganization, to a lucid "zoning out". Four more years and then it will get better, as long as we survive the coronavirus.

Bloomberg is playing this beautifully. 2020 isn't dead yet!

Bloomberg was literally a republican just a few years ago, you fucking idiot

You need to slow your role, Verb. It's not a good look. I doubt anyone in this thread doesn't know about Bloomberg's party switch. The point is Bloomberg's team is playing 2020 really well and with Biden falling off and Pete not being a sure thing, a majority will likely move to Bloomberg.

[verb_to_trust]

Daddy Billionaire isn't getting the nom, sorry

[BurtReynolds]

A socialist vs a republican battling it out for the democratic nomination sounds very...interesting.

[Green Habit]

Quick rant: while I'm totally down with not having Iowa and New Hampshire always go first and second, I'm tired of the arguments that say they shouldn't be first and second because they're "unrepresentative". There is no single state that is representative of the entire nation, and there will never be.

[BurtReynolds]

I think multiple states on the first day is best. Or just randomize it.

[Green Habit]

I think multiple states on the first day is best. Or just randomize it.

I'd go with a national vote.

[96583UP]

Daddy Billionaire isn't getting the nom, sorry

I'd be fine with 5 out of the 6. Those odds ain't bad

For the first time in the 2020 Democratic primary, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders took the lead in a national Quinnipiac University poll, overtaking former Vice President Joe Biden, just after the Iowa caucuses and one day ahead of Tuesday's New Hampshire primary.

Sanders received 25% support among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents,
with Biden at 17%.
Former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg saw a surge in support with 15%,
followed by Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren with 14%,
former South Bend, Indiana, mayor Pete Buttigieg at 10% and
Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar at 4%.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/4715518002

[Bi_3]

In the bloomlight

[Simple Torture]

In the bloomlight

Five voters in Dixville Notch showed up to make their selection at midnight. Two Democrats voted for Bloomberg, one for Buttigieg and one for Sanders. The sole Republican voter also wrote in Bloomberg.

[Rob]

You guys really think, in a general election, the Bernie crowd will vote in adequate numbers for the billionaire who bought his way to the nomination? I don't see it. Where does he make up these votes? I realize the general election polls see Bloomberg beating Trump, but I also remember those polls showing Hillary winning the whole time (sometimes by double digits). Those polls mean nothing right now.

[liebzz]

You guys really think, in a general election, the Bernie crowd will vote in adequate numbers for the billionaire who bought his way to the nomination? I don't see it. Where does he make up these votes? I realize the general election polls see Bloomberg beating Trump, but I also remember those polls showing Hillary winning the whole time (sometimes by double digits). Those polls mean nothing right now.

The answer is probably not. But at the same time, it’s hard to see your midwestern prototypical voter that probably doesn’t exist jumping on the Bernie bandwagon when there’s the devil you know, and hey, he keeps telling me the economy is doing great.

[Bi_3]

You guys really think, in a general election, the Bernie crowd will vote in adequate numbers for the billionaire who bought his way to the nomination? I don't see it. Where does he make up these votes? I realize the general election polls see Bloomberg beating Trump, but I also remember those polls showing Hillary winning the whole time (sometimes by double digits). Those polls mean nothing right now.

I think this is the rationalization the Bernie crowd will use to excuse themselves from responsibility for a Trump victory, just like the "Hillary wasnt an inspiring candidate" line they parrot now, but for a Bloomy victory they largely dont have to. The election will be decided by a handful of states that arent particularly big Bernie Bro lands anyway. The combination of sane democrats, the 'must remove trump' crowd, and the voters who realized they were played by Trump in 2016 is probably close to the margin of victory he needs assuming a clean DNC convention. The question is how much damage will the Bernie crowd attempt to inflict on Bloomy between now and super-Tuesday, and how bad will it be.

[Rob]

You guys really think, in a general election, the Bernie crowd will vote in adequate numbers for the billionaire who bought his way to the nomination? I don't see it. Where does he make up these votes? I realize the general election polls see Bloomberg beating Trump, but I also remember those polls showing Hillary winning the whole time (sometimes by double digits). Those polls mean nothing right now.

I think this is the rationalization the Bernie crowd will use to excuse themselves from responsibility for a Trump victory, just like the "Hillary wasnt an inspiring candidate" line they parrot now, but for a Bloomy victory they largely dont have to. The election will be decided by a handful of states that arent particularly big Bernie Bro lands anyway. The combination of sane democrats, the 'must remove trump' crowd, and the voters who realized they were played by Trump in 2016 is probably close to the margin of victory he needs assuming a clean DNC convention. The question is how much damage will the Bernie crowd attempt to inflict on Bloomy between now and super-Tuesday, and how bad will it be.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon ... -election/

I'm sorry, but after 3 surveys, the estimate was that 6-12% of Bernie primary voters went for Trump. They had a better showing for Hillary than her supporters had for Obama. Its so easy to blame the group that annoys people. Never any mention of the fact that she got millions of fewer votes overall, compared to even 2012, including among minority groups. Bernie supporters will turn up for whoever the candidate is, same as last time, except Bloomberg. Part of the reason he's in the race is to stop Bernie. He's been outspoken about this. You can't blame them for not wanting to vote for the guy who entered the race to spoil Bernie's bid.

And I don't know why people think a non-establishment, union-friendly candidate wouldn't perform well in the upper mid-west. He did well there in the primaries that were open to independents. The southern half of the country is where Bernie has challenges.

[Bi_3]

You guys really think, in a general election, the Bernie crowd will vote in adequate numbers for the billionaire who bought his way to the nomination? I don't see it. Where does he make up these votes? I realize the general election polls see Bloomberg beating Trump, but I also remember those polls showing Hillary winning the whole time (sometimes by double digits). Those polls mean nothing right now.

I think this is the rationalization the Bernie crowd will use to excuse themselves from responsibility for a Trump victory, just like the "Hillary wasnt an inspiring candidate" line they parrot now, but for a Bloomy victory they largely dont have to. The election will be decided by a handful of states that arent particularly big Bernie Bro lands anyway. The combination of sane democrats, the 'must remove trump' crowd, and the voters who realized they were played by Trump in 2016 is probably close to the margin of victory he needs assuming a clean DNC convention. The question is how much damage will the Bernie crowd attempt to inflict on Bloomy between now and super-Tuesday, and how bad will it be.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon ... -election/

I'm sorry, but after 3 surveys, the estimate was that 6-12% of Bernie primary voters went for Trump. They had a better showing for Hillary than her supporters had for Obama. Its so easy to blame the group that annoys people. Never any mention of the fact that she got millions of fewer votes overall, compared to even 2012, including among minority groups. Bernie supporters will turn up for whoever the candidate is, same as last time, except Bloomberg. Part of the reason he's in the race is to stop Bernie. He's been outspoken about this. You can't blame them for not wanting to vote for the guy who entered the race to spoil Bernie's bid.

And I don't know why people think a non-establishment, union-friendly candidate wouldn't perform well in the upper mid-west. He did well there in the primaries that were open to independents. The southern half of the country is where Bernie has challenges.

I 100% will if enables Trump's re-election, as I still do for his election in 2016.

[Rob]

Well, I just want to go on record and say that if Bernie is the nominee and loses, I will say it's because HE couldn't get enough votes. It won't be the fault of the Pete crowd, or Bloomberg crowd, or older voters who can't stomach the socialist label. No one is entitled to votes. Not Bernie, not Bloomberg. You didn't earn the votes you didn't get.

[tragabigzanda]

FUCK ICE

[B]

Anyone’s loss is theirs to own. It is never up to a one candidate, nor the voters, to somehow make another candidate’s race easier.

What if Republicans spend $1.2 million on an unpopular Democratic candidate in order to force spending by the popular candidate?

[Orpheus]

All the Bloomberg folks know Bernie can win, they just dont want their taxes to go up, so they're supporting the billionaire who bought his way in.

[tragabigzanda]

FUCK ICE

[4/5]

Ok obviously there’s a massive grey area here with regard to campaign finance, dark money, etc... I was speaking more specifically about messaging.

Isn't Bloomberg just spending a small portion of his own enormous wealth? That's VERY different than Super PAC/dark money/shell corporation campaign funding.