Election 2020

[Norah]

A friend of mine was at a Seattle Sanders rally recently and spotted Vedder there.

[E.H. Ruddock]

There was an Instagram post or something with EV next to Bernie.

[96583UP]

yeah he wants Bernie

http://www.cnn.com/news/politics/Bernie ... 02020.html

Sanders has captured the minds of many of America’s youths, and when visiting Seattle recently showcased his local appeal when Pearl Jam lead singer Eddie Vedder was seen in attendance wearing a pro-Bernie T-Shirt.

“I think we need to fix a lot more about this country than people realize in order to make it a habitable place for our children and their children”, Vedder said. “Bernie has vision and he’s focused on areas of long-term benefit like healthcare and education, basic pillars of a healthy and progressive society”.

Vedder added that he’s “excited” to be able to see Bernie in person, as soon he and his bandmates will depart for a lengthy tour in support of their new album, “Gigaton”, that will see them criss-cross the U.S., Europe, and then back again before the polls open in November.

Regarding the new album’s ecologically-conscious theme, Vedder noted “We’ve got to spread the word about climate change with urgency, and being musicians, determined we should use our platform to get the message out. We’ve got a few thoughtful ballads and spritzy punkers on there that we’re really excited about. This one song, ‘Superblood Wolfmoon’ is basically a re-structuring of this song ‘Supersonic’ we did a while back but way spritzier and punkier. Our hope is to bludgeon the listener with so much effervescence they will literally shit themselves with terror about the pending climate armageddon, smear their feces on their brow as war paint, and join the movement with our beloved friends at Netjets to fight this climate war once and for all.”

“Gigaton” is due out March 27th and will be available everywhere Gilets can be found.

[Norah]

yeah he wants Bernie

http://www.cnn.com/news/politics/Bernie ... 02020.html

Sanders has captured the minds of many of America’s youths, and when visiting Seattle recently showcased his local appeal when Pearl Jam lead singer Eddie Vedder was seen in attendance wearing a pro-Bernie T-Shirt.

“I think we need to fix a lot more about this country than people realize in order to make it a habitable place for our children and their children”, Vedder said. “Bernie has vision and he’s focused on areas of long-term benefit like healthcare and education, basic pillars of a healthy and progressive society”.

Vedder added that he’s “excited” to be able to see Bernie in person, as soon he and his bandmates will depart for a lengthy tour in support of their new album, “Gigaton”, that will see them criss-cross the U.S., Europe, and then back again before the polls open in November.

Regarding the new album’s ecologically-conscious theme, Vedder noted “We’ve got to spread the word about climate change with urgency, and being musicians, determined we should use our platform to get the message out. We’ve got a few thoughtful ballads and spritzy punkers on there that we’re really excited about. This one song, ‘Superblood Wolfmoon’ is basically a re-structuring of this song ‘Supersonic’ we did a while back but way spritzier and punkier. Our hope is to bludgeon the listener with so much effervescence they will literally shit themselves with terror about the pending climate armageddon, smear their feces on their brow as war paint, and join the movement with our beloved friends at Netjets to fight this climate war once and for all.”

“Gigaton” is due out March 27th and will be available everywhere Gilets can be found.

And Jorge has been claiming that he coined the term spritzy punker.

[BurtReynolds]

Well I no longer support Bernie then

[96583UP]

yeah he wants Bernie

http://www.cnn.com/news/politics/Bernie ... 02020.html

Sanders has captured the minds of many of America’s youths, and when visiting Seattle recently showcased his local appeal when Pearl Jam lead singer Eddie Vedder was seen in attendance wearing a pro-Bernie T-Shirt.

“I think we need to fix a lot more about this country than people realize in order to make it a habitable place for our children and their children”, Vedder said. “Bernie has vision and he’s focused on areas of long-term benefit like healthcare and education, basic pillars of a healthy and progressive society”.

Vedder added that he’s “excited” to be able to see Bernie in person, as soon he and his bandmates will depart for a lengthy tour in support of their new album, “Gigaton”, that will see them criss-cross the U.S., Europe, and then back again before the polls open in November.

Regarding the new album’s ecologically-conscious theme, Vedder noted “We’ve got to spread the word about climate change with urgency, and being musicians, determined we should use our platform to get the message out. We’ve got a few thoughtful ballads and spritzy punkers on there that we’re really excited about. This one song, ‘Superblood Wolfmoon’ is basically a re-structuring of this song ‘Supersonic’ we did a while back but way spritzier and punkier. Our hope is to bludgeon the listener with so much effervescence they will literally shit themselves with terror about the pending climate armageddon, smear their feces on their brow as war paint, and join the movement with our beloved friends at Netjets to fight this climate war once and for all.”

“Gigaton” is due out March 27th and will be available everywhere Gilets can be found.

And Jorge has been claiming that he coined the term spritzy punker.

we’ve heard that the 10C people keep the band informed about the general trends in the forums

no doubt they stopped by here for a breather after a long day of censoring leaked track references and not merging similar thread topics and quickly adopted that part of the lexicon, and naturally passed it on directly to the band along with positive feedback about how no one seems to be asking what happened to Boom so the cops will probably never catch on

[Bi_3]

Does Bernie think billionaires have Scrooge mcduck style money bins that he can just take from for everything he promises?

[verb_to_trust]

Does Bernie think billionaires have Scrooge mcduck style money bins that he can just take from for everything he promises?

So now the excuse is billionaires can't be taxed because they don't have giant vaults of gold coins in there homes?

[Bi_3]

Does Bernie think billionaires have Scrooge mcduck style money bins that he can just take from for everything he promises?

So now the excuse is billionaires can't be taxed because they don't have giant vaults of gold coins in there homes?

At this point I assume you're not ignorant just trolling, but whatever. The issue is that on average billionaires only have about 25% of their wealth is liquid assets. Which means the rest is usually in public/private securities whose value is determined my market forces like supply and demand. In order to pay tax on illiquid assets, you would need to liquidate them (sell them), which of course means that there needs to be buyers for them, and when the seller needs the buyer the price goes down (thus the amount that can be extracted from taxes goes down). I would assume the buyers would be EU conglomerates or middle eastern and Chinese investors.. so our businesses would end up like luxury condos in NYC. The other issue with non-money-bin money is that because it's just ones and zeros on a big computer, it is not bound by national borders. It can move to holding companies in Geneva, Frankfurt, Sydney, Tokyo, Bejing, the Caymans, etc. in microseconds. (Look up the history of wealth taxes in Europe to better understand how the ultra-rich responded.) This is why Warren said her wealth tax plan would carry an exit-tax to keep the money in the US... although no one is quite sure how such a thing would be enforced if the transfers started before the law is passed.

I agree the Trump tax cuts should be rolled back and his $160B increase in DoD spending should be removed as well, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking a that and the wealth tax will pay for the $6T per year Bernie has promised so far... and that whole "don't tell me we can't" answer is bullshit. Sometimes we actually can't.

[bune]

stop hiding money overseas, right?

[verb_to_trust]

You need to look into the difference between a billion and a million.

[Bi_3]

stop hiding money overseas, right?

Or start a business setting up foreign companies. Just like the City of London or Vancouver real estate dealers.

[surfndestroy]

Vancouver real estate dealers.

Vancouver has been so fucked over allowing so much foreign ownership of real estate. Son's friend is looking at his first place, a tiny one bedroom condo, just under 700 sq feet, about 45 minutes from the city. It will come in at $500k.

[tragabigzanda]

FUCK ICE

[Rob]

I agree the Trump tax cuts should be rolled back and his $160B increase in DoD spending should be removed as well, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking a that and the wealth tax will pay for the $6T per year Bernie has promised so far... and that whole "don't tell me we can't" answer is bullshit. Sometimes we actually can't.

Its a fair point to raise, but it's misleading to suggest that this would be $6T in new spending. Over half that total is due to medicare for all - which is money that people are already paying - and a few studies show would actually reduce spending on healthcare. Most estimates show we spend around $5T per year on healthcare now. If the government could cover everyone for even the same price, then yes, the budget goes way up but the country itself didn't add $5T in spending. I can't understand the way people argue against medicare for all. People look at the price tag and freak out, and say it's too expensive, when it seems the actual problems with it are that it's not expensive enough. If everyone had to charge medicare rates, providers would have to charge less, and since healthcare in so intertwined with the larger economy, it could cause problems. Arguing it's too high a cost isn't right, considering we already have a system too many people can't afford and pay, by far, the most of any country.

As for the other half of the increase - Bernie does need to have better answers. But it's not like the other candidates aren't proposing big things too - especially in child care and college. Lots of promises being made, with plans to fund them that look good now but will get tossed in the trash the minute they sit down with the other side. I know it sounds corny to many people, but nothing is going to change this unless/until there is a movement on the ground. I never bought into the "political revolution" bit, but it doesn't take a revolution to create change. The millennial generation is f'n HUGE and they are showing us what they want. That has to be reckoned with.

stop hiding money overseas, right?

Or start a business setting up foreign companies. Just like the City of London or Vancouver real estate dealers.

This is similar to the other argument I hear sometimes - if Bernie wins the election, people with wealth with move their money out of the country, or find creative ways to shield it. Good luck with that. Plunging the country into a depression right as you hand the keys over to a socialist is going to work out really well for the wealthy/powerful.

[Clem Halibut]

Bernie won't win the election if nominated
America will never move that far to the left

Moderates like Buttigieg , Klobuchar, don't have much of a chance either because they don't have enough power & charisma to unite minority voters, and the Bernie gang .

Bloomberg is heavily flawed & Biden is a walking gaffe machine.

I like Warren, but Trump will drown her out in the debates and her message will get lost in the noise.

I hate Trump and want him gone...but I'm not confident that anyone in Democratic field can beat him.

[verb_to_trust]

Frontotemporal Dementia (D) looks like a pretty strong candidate to me. Can definitely neutralize him on the debate stage.

[4/5]

Does Bernie think billionaires have Scrooge mcduck style money bins that he can just take from for everything he promises?

So now the excuse is billionaires can't be taxed because they don't have giant vaults of gold coins in there homes?

At this point I assume you're not ignorant just trolling, but whatever. The issue is that on average billionaires only have about 25% of their wealth is liquid assets. Which means the rest is usually in public/private securities whose value is determined my market forces like supply and demand. In order to pay tax on illiquid assets, you would need to liquidate them (sell them), which of course means that there needs to be buyers for them, and when the seller needs the buyer the price goes down (thus the amount that can be extracted from taxes goes down). I would assume the buyers would be EU conglomerates or middle eastern and Chinese investors.. so our businesses would end up like luxury condos in NYC. The other issue with non-money-bin money is that because it's just ones and zeros on a big computer, it is not bound by national borders. It can move to holding companies in Geneva, Frankfurt, Sydney, Tokyo, Bejing, the Caymans, etc. in microseconds. (Look up the history of wealth taxes in Europe to better understand how the ultra-rich responded.) This is why Warren said her wealth tax plan would carry an exit-tax to keep the money in the US... although no one is quite sure how such a thing would be enforced if the transfers started before the law is passed.

I agree the Trump tax cuts should be rolled back and his $160B increase in DoD spending should be removed as well, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking a that and the wealth tax will pay for the $6T per year Bernie has promised so far... and that whole "don't tell me we can't" answer is bullshit. Sometimes we actually can't.

The net worth of all billionaires in the United States combined is about $2.5 trillion dollars. So assuming that the government could simply take every dollar of wealth each billionaire has (which as b_i laid it is not at all a realistic proposition for many reasons) that one time windfall could pay for about 6 months of federal spending at current levels.

[McParadigm]

Billionaires are just an extreme subsect of the top 1%, which combined own 40% of the nation’s wealth. Also, saying that the 540 billionaires in this country have enough combined wealth to run the entire United States federal apparatus for half a year seems like a really great argument in favor of them paying more taxes.

[tragabigzanda]

FUCK ICE