Nobody said the music was a ripoff. Just the lyrics. Which they totally are.theplatypus wrote: The songs are super different, hardly a ripoff
They lifted two lines off the original, even modified them slightly (McCartney's original says "jumping" not "chasing"), and put them in a completely different melodic (and lyrical) context. If a substantial portion of the lyrics or music were the same, maybe, but as it stands it doesn't fit what I would call a "rip-off". This kind of thing is/was commonplace in pop music and even The Great Beatles engaged in it. Also the TLC song is better.Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:Nobody said the music was a ripoff. Just the lyrics. Which they totally are.theplatypus wrote: The songs are super different, hardly a ripoff
McCartney:
Don't Go Chasing Waterfalls
Please Stick To The Lakes
TLC:
Don't Go Chasing Waterfalls
Please Stick To The Rivers And The Lakes That You're Used To
No McCartney writing credit at all, but I'm sure there are like 6 producers getting paid for it.
If I was him, I would be slightly annoyed too.
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Just finished listening to this all the way through for the first time. Great record! Obviously I need to spend more time with it but this is outstanding.Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:Best Beatles solo career by far.Anders wrote:Listened a lot to McCartney this past summer. He’s got a lot of great songs.
As I've said before, "McCartney II" is a masterpiece.
Although, anything that makes Beatletards go into convulsions is A-OK in my book.
Did you like it Durds?
Oh please. As if you listened to more than 10 seconds of it. He uses the word "chasing" in the second verse.theplatypus wrote:Also the TLC song is better.
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Have you considered stacking papers and getting paid?David Yow wrote:How are Pearl Jam any different from Toto?
We are calmly discussing how they blatantly lifted his lyrics and didn't give him any credit.theplatypus wrote:I listened to the whole thing, it is a geriatric snooze (my opinion, irrelevant to whether the TLC song is a "ripoff" or not). He doesn't sing "chasing waterfalls" at any point, but even if he did, to categorize it as a ripoff based on that is pretty laughable. One can't lay claim to a metaphor because one used it first. I'm no copyright expert but my feeling is if Paul had decided to pursue litigation, he'd have been laughed out of court
how bout 15?Anders wrote:What are your top ten Paul McCartney songs?
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In!evenslow wrote:how bout 15?Anders wrote:What are your top ten Paul McCartney songs?
1. Let Me Roll It
2. Nineteen Hundred and Eighty-Five
3. Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey
4. Monkberry Moon Delight
5. Let 'Em In
6. Mrs. Vandebilt
7. Temporary Secretary
8. Band on the Run
9. Ever Present Past
10. Arrow Through Me
11. Ram On
12. Coming Up (Live Version)
13. Maybe I'm Amazed
14. Magneto & Titanium Man
15. Calico Skies
Well, my issue was precisely with the use of the term "rip-off", that's what I initially objected to and what the conversation seemed to be about. Regardless, it's obvious that Macca isn't entitled to a songwriting credit for the use of two lines (each of which was modified from his original version). Acting like I'm personally upset is a classic move, but I'm just as calm as you are. Probably calmer since I'm not calling you namesWendy Carlos's Twin wrote:We are calmly discussing how they blatantly lifted his lyrics and didn't give him any credit.theplatypus wrote:I listened to the whole thing, it is a geriatric snooze (my opinion, irrelevant to whether the TLC song is a "ripoff" or not). He doesn't sing "chasing waterfalls" at any point, but even if he did, to categorize it as a ripoff based on that is pretty laughable. One can't lay claim to a metaphor because one used it first. I'm no copyright expert but my feeling is if Paul had decided to pursue litigation, he'd have been laughed out of court
Nobody said that he should have taken them to court.
Rip-off or not, why are you arguing semantics like it offends you personally?
Are you a TLC fanboy? Is that what hipsters are into now?
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good list!Kevin Davis wrote:In!evenslow wrote:how bout 15?Anders wrote:What are your top ten Paul McCartney songs?
1. Let Me Roll It
2. Nineteen Hundred and Eighty-Five
3. Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey
4. Monkberry Moon Delight
5. Let 'Em In
6. Mrs. Vandebilt
7. Temporary Secretary
8. Band on the Run
9. Ever Present Past
10. Arrow Through Me
11. Ram On
12. Coming Up (Live Version)
13. Maybe I'm Amazed
14. Magneto & Titanium Man
15. Calico Skies
1. Monkberry Moon Delight
2. Daytime Nighttime Suffering
3. Beautiful Night
4. Let Me Roll It
5. Band on the Run
6. Nineteen Hundred and Eighty-Five
7. Junk
8. That Would Be Something
9. Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey
10. Honey Hush (this is a cover from 'Run Devil Run' but it rips -- do not miss)
11. All Shook Up (see above)
12. Listen to What the Man Said
13. A Certain Softness
14. Venus and Mars/Rock Show
15. The Back Seat of My Car
I really need to dig into some more solo McCartney.
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Oh, so you're not upset then. You're just being smarmy and contrarian for the hell of it. But that's par for the course with you, so I shouldn't be surprised.theplatypus wrote: Well, my issue was precisely with the use of the term "rip-off", that's what I initially objected to and what the conversation seemed to be about. Regardless, it's obvious that Macca isn't entitled to a songwriting credit for the use of two lines (each of which was modified from his original version). Acting like I'm personally upset is a classic move, but I'm just as calm as you are. Probably calmer since I'm not calling you names
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Anders wrote:I do not have a «neoliberal assessment of geopolitics», so please stop writing that I do.
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Anders wrote:I do not have a «neoliberal assessment of geopolitics», so please stop writing that I do.
That's one that I haven't gotten yet. I have all of them up to "McCartney II", which is my favorite.evenslow wrote:for those who have yet to hear, the original demos Paul did with Elvis Costello for what later became (a very different) Flowers in the Dirt are some of the best music he created/performed post Beatles.
they were finally released in 2017 as part of the reissue for FITD.