Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

[Sgt. Crackpot]

This is what I imagine when I see "Django Butterworth":

Yeah, but in reality this is what's behind the avatar:

[Jorge]

The Pit has just read this BO'B interview and are finally waking up, it seems. I just read this:

"i do know, that BoB has had A LOT to do with many records outside of pearl jam that he has worked on. for example, playing all the guitar solo's, and most of the bass parts on the Black Crows record he did. However i dont see PJ letting him get quite that involved. but he plays the keys parts.. so.... who knows."

Is this true, about the Black Keys? One of them should've keyed his fucking car.

No, I mean Crows... not Keys.

He's credited for the following albums:
1990: Shake Your Money Maker - The Black Crowes (Engineer, "A potpourri of instruments")
1992: The Southern Harmony and Musical Companion - The Black Crowes (Engineer)

His wiki article also states:

His studio career was propelled by the success of the first Black Crowes album, Shake Your Money Maker, on which he played guitar and bass and engineered.

So he's always been doing this.

A lot of producers do this-- playing on their clients' albums. It's not uncommon, nor is it necessarily a bad thing.

[Strat]

Didnt mike and/or stone say that BOB was a mentioned more talented player anyway so they welcome his playing. At least on Gremmie Out of Control i believe..

I have no problem with BOB playing i just dont like when and if he changes/molds the bands vision. Or gets in the way of it....

But for all we know he has allowed pearl jam to make the albums they exactly want to put out, so for that, we blame the band.

[Django Butterworth]

This is what I imagine when I see "Django Butterworth":

Naw, I'd never wear pink shoes with that outfit.

Gotta keep it FABULOUS!

[stip]

This, to me, is the takeaway:

Eddie sent me his record before it came out to see if I liked it. I said: “There’s one song on here that we’re gonna steal, because it’s a Pearl Jam song as far as I’m concerned. And there are gonna be the fans who know that record. I don’t know that the rest of the world’s gonna know that song that much.” His record actually ended up doing much better than I thought it would… but I just thought a lyric like that with him singing it is so unusual, and it’s such a sweet, direct, straightforward song that I felt like we needed it very much.

I'm surprised he gave such a direct answer on this. Interesting that Ed would send him the record to get his opinion. I'm also surprised he thought only a smattering of people would listen to Uke Songs and that no one would remember SBM. He knows that almost every PJ fan, at a minimum, was going to get that record. And STILL, he went through with putting it on LB. Flattery will get you everywhere.

Also, artists are often insecure about their art, and in that sense you can see where a guy like Brendan O'Brien, with his confidence in moving forward and creating without wasting time, would be appealing.

I think BO'B had no idea how many people would like, or remember, SBM or Uke Songs because he has no idea how many people like Pearl Jam anymore. He has no idea about the relatively gigantic fanbase and what their feelings and opinions are about anything. It's not his job to care. All he 'knows' is that their move away from his expertise was career suicide, and now they're back.

the tone of that comment aside, what was pretty interesting about that interview was this section:

I think the first cons of making four albums together was that they got tired of being told what to do, which happens to all good artists. Some time after we did Yield, I just think they wanted to do it themselves for a while.

which seems to strongly imply, counter to much of what we've speculated on in this thread, that BoB isn't taking on a new role in the studio with them, and that the same process that produced Vs. through Yield was what also produced Lightning Bolt and Backspacer.

[Django Butterworth]

Yes, producers do this all the time, often uncredited. No real story here.

[stip]

The real mistake they made is that even before all this BO'B stuff, we got riled up about a countdown clock which honestly was started at least a month too early.

I think they've actually done a nice job meting things out for the maniacs. Single, video, artwork, YouTube clips.

They've done a lot of good stuff, granted. I just don't think it should've started three months early.

that's the tour problem (not that this makes it any less early, but it at least explains why)

[Strat]

This, to me, is the takeaway:

Eddie sent me his record before it came out to see if I liked it. I said: “There’s one song on here that we’re gonna steal, because it’s a Pearl Jam song as far as I’m concerned. And there are gonna be the fans who know that record. I don’t know that the rest of the world’s gonna know that song that much.” His record actually ended up doing much better than I thought it would… but I just thought a lyric like that with him singing it is so unusual, and it’s such a sweet, direct, straightforward song that I felt like we needed it very much.

I'm surprised he gave such a direct answer on this. Interesting that Ed would send him the record to get his opinion. I'm also surprised he thought only a smattering of people would listen to Uke Songs and that no one would remember SBM. He knows that almost every PJ fan, at a minimum, was going to get that record. And STILL, he went through with putting it on LB. Flattery will get you everywhere.

Also, artists are often insecure about their art, and in that sense you can see where a guy like Brendan O'Brien, with his confidence in moving forward and creating without wasting time, would be appealing.

I think BO'B had no idea how many people would like, or remember, SBM or Uke Songs because he has no idea how many people like Pearl Jam anymore. He has no idea about the relatively gigantic fanbase and what their feelings and opinions are about anything. It's not his job to care. All he 'knows' is that their move away from his expertise was career suicide, and now they're back.

the tone of that comment aside, what was pretty interesting about that interview was this section:

I think the first cons of making four albums together was that they got tired of being told what to do, which happens to all good artists. Some time after we did Yield, I just think they wanted to do it themselves for a while.

which seems to strongly imply, counter to much of what we've speculated on in this thread, that BoB isn't taking on a new role in the studio with them, and that the same process that produced Vs. through Yield was what also produced Lightning Bolt and Backspacer.

Did I miss a new interview while i was out being active?

[stip]

Lightning Bolt: I wanna dip my balls in it.

With all due respect, Brendan, you're wrong about the beards

[stip]

The Pit has just read this BO'B interview and are finally waking up, it seems. I just read this:

"i do know, that BoB has had A LOT to do with many records outside of pearl jam that he has worked on. for example, playing all the guitar solo's, and most of the bass parts on the Black Crows record he did. However i dont see PJ letting him get quite that involved. but he plays the keys parts.. so.... who knows."

Is this true, about the Black Keys? One of them should've keyed his fucking car.

No, I mean Crows... not Keys.

He's credited for the following albums:
1990: Shake Your Money Maker - The Black Crowes (Engineer, "A potpourri of instruments")
1992: The Southern Harmony and Musical Companion - The Black Crowes (Engineer)

His wiki article also states:

His studio career was propelled by the success of the first Black Crowes album, Shake Your Money Maker, on which he played guitar and bass and engineered.

So he's always been doing this.

wasn't he piano and keyboards/organ on early/mid period PJ albums too?

[Strat]

This, to me, is the takeaway:

Eddie sent me his record before it came out to see if I liked it. I said: “There’s one song on here that we’re gonna steal, because it’s a Pearl Jam song as far as I’m concerned. And there are gonna be the fans who know that record. I don’t know that the rest of the world’s gonna know that song that much.” His record actually ended up doing much better than I thought it would… but I just thought a lyric like that with him singing it is so unusual, and it’s such a sweet, direct, straightforward song that I felt like we needed it very much.

I'm surprised he gave such a direct answer on this. Interesting that Ed would send him the record to get his opinion. I'm also surprised he thought only a smattering of people would listen to Uke Songs and that no one would remember SBM. He knows that almost every PJ fan, at a minimum, was going to get that record. And STILL, he went through with putting it on LB. Flattery will get you everywhere.

Also, artists are often insecure about their art, and in that sense you can see where a guy like Brendan O'Brien, with his confidence in moving forward and creating without wasting time, would be appealing.

I think BO'B had no idea how many people would like, or remember, SBM or Uke Songs because he has no idea how many people like Pearl Jam anymore. He has no idea about the relatively gigantic fanbase and what their feelings and opinions are about anything. It's not his job to care. All he 'knows' is that their move away from his expertise was career suicide, and now they're back.

the tone of that comment aside, what was pretty interesting about that interview was this section:

I think the first cons of making four albums together was that they got tired of being told what to do, which happens to all good artists. Some time after we did Yield, I just think they wanted to do it themselves for a while.

which seems to strongly imply, counter to much of what we've speculated on in this thread, that BoB isn't taking on a new role in the studio with them, and that the same process that produced Vs. through Yield was what also produced Lightning Bolt and Backspacer.

Did I miss a new interview while i was out being active?

[stip]

This, to me, is the takeaway:

Eddie sent me his record before it came out to see if I liked it. I said: “There’s one song on here that we’re gonna steal, because it’s a Pearl Jam song as far as I’m concerned. And there are gonna be the fans who know that record. I don’t know that the rest of the world’s gonna know that song that much.” His record actually ended up doing much better than I thought it would… but I just thought a lyric like that with him singing it is so unusual, and it’s such a sweet, direct, straightforward song that I felt like we needed it very much.

I'm surprised he gave such a direct answer on this. Interesting that Ed would send him the record to get his opinion. I'm also surprised he thought only a smattering of people would listen to Uke Songs and that no one would remember SBM. He knows that almost every PJ fan, at a minimum, was going to get that record. And STILL, he went through with putting it on LB. Flattery will get you everywhere.

Also, artists are often insecure about their art, and in that sense you can see where a guy like Brendan O'Brien, with his confidence in moving forward and creating without wasting time, would be appealing.

I think BO'B had no idea how many people would like, or remember, SBM or Uke Songs because he has no idea how many people like Pearl Jam anymore. He has no idea about the relatively gigantic fanbase and what their feelings and opinions are about anything. It's not his job to care. All he 'knows' is that their move away from his expertise was career suicide, and now they're back.

the tone of that comment aside, what was pretty interesting about that interview was this section:

I think the first cons of making four albums together was that they got tired of being told what to do, which happens to all good artists. Some time after we did Yield, I just think they wanted to do it themselves for a while.

which seems to strongly imply, counter to much of what we've speculated on in this thread, that BoB isn't taking on a new role in the studio with them, and that the same process that produced Vs. through Yield was what also produced Lightning Bolt and Backspacer.

Did I miss a new interview while i was out being active?

yes. I'm about to archive it

http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/feat ... -and-loud/

[Strat]

YOU WERE LATE!

[Acidfuel]

I only have 1 problem with BOB.......Speed of Sound

[Django Butterworth]

Lightning Bolt: I wanna dip my balls in it.

With all due respect, Brendan, you're wrong about the beards

UNCHAIN THEM.

[Django Butterworth]

I only have 1 problem with BOB.......Speed of Sound

What's your problem with it?

[Acidfuel]

I only have 1 problem with BOB.......Speed of Sound

What's your problem with it?

The demo was perfect.... The album version sounds overproduced

[E.H. Ruddock]

Are we bitching about anything new or the same shit?

[Dr. Van Nostrand]

I only have 1 problem with BOB.......Speed of Sound

What's your problem with it?

The demo was perfect.... The album version sounds overproduced

To the point of sounding like a carnival

Though the demo has helped me start to appreciate the album version

[Dr. Van Nostrand]

Are we bitching about anything new or the same shit?

Same shit different day