Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

[Mine]

An EPK of this thread would still be 100 pages long.

This thread deserves to be included in it's entirety in LB's super deluxe edition's booklet.

[Dr. Van Nostrand]

This thread needs some producing .

i can try to do it

[taffer]

Fact:

I'd rather have BoB play piano on a PJ record than Boom, but I'd rather have any other guy in the band play the piano over BoB.

Yep. Ed can play some basic piano. Love his work on Rival. I really don't like the light, airy plonky-plonk BoB has done with them.

How'd you know its Ed? I thought it is Mitchel Froom or whatever thats guy's name

Basically i would happy without any of keyboards/organs, leave em to solo efforts

[harmless]

Hahahaha I want this album quite a lot. I just realised.

[Tuolumne]

I dont like how PJ feel they need to be relevant. Neil young doesnt give a shit. he puts out music as he does and every so often, it will strike a nerve in the media/music listening public. Makes for a far more interesting career. Seems as though BOB is all about "hey man, need a hit to stay relevant, he he he!!"

And most depressing about all that is PJ are in agreement with him.

Sad Face.

There is a reason Binaural is top shelf

I think the Neil Young comparison here is irrelevant and misplaced. He's a SOLO artist. Totally different beast. He can go from Crazy Horse, to Daniel Lanois, to his wife Peggy, to CSN, etc.

A better comparison would be to find a GROUP that's had a 20 plus year career. Also, a group that's had signficant commercial success (where the benchmark of appealing to mass/cult audiences are different). That would be comparable.

If you still really want to compare them to Neil Young, I'd look at the band members individually, and if you look at say, Ed. and combine his PJ output that he wrote himself with ITW and Uke songs, you'd have a fairer comparison to Neil. Solo artists are completely different animals. Apples and oranges.

Not at all. Neil had massive success with Crazy Horse multiple times. Whats your point? As a group they could all collectively agree on having a career "like a solo artist" as you put it.

PJ are trying to stay relevant and make music so they can still fill arenas. That does not make for as interesting of a career.

Yeah, go ahead and compare Neil WITH Crazy Horse. Do it. Then you have a band with a distinctive "sloppy" style. And you'd also have decades-long gaps and which he went off into various cool or awful tangents, BY HIMSELF. My point is that it's apples and oranges. Like comparing a space shuttle with a jet ski. Groups are their own thing with their own pros and cons.

LOL, what?

If you can't understand the difference between a solo artist and a group, I can't help you. My awkward attempt and explaining it to you aside. LOL DUDE!

This isn't about the differences between a solo artist and a band. It's about the differences between the choices a solo artist might make, and the choices a band might make. And apart from the relative difficulty of a band making a unanimous choice about anything, there really is no difference. Both band and solo artist could choose to do whatever they chose, which honoured the integrity of their artistic drives, or to outsource everything because of a need to make it palatable and "commercial" to some imagined new demographic. In PJ's case, these two things might not be mutually exclusive, though, which is why nobody will ever win this argument.

Well, if ya put it that way .... you're hoping for the IMPOSSIBLE!! LOL!

[Dr. Van Nostrand]

Hahahaha I want this album quite a lot. I just realised.

im afraid to look at how many days are left, its too far away still

[harmless]

Hahahaha I want this album quite a lot. I just realised.

im afraid to look at how many days are left, its too far away still

Literally going insane. I feel as if I'm 17 years old. Ultimately this will be a very good thing and I'll remember this build-up to the album fondly. But it's been three months.

[Jorge]

Hahahaha I want this album quite a lot. I just realised.

Your moment of reckoning

[harmless]

Hahahaha I want this album quite a lot. I just realised.

Your moment of reckoning

Until the lightning strike set me free.

[Django Butterworth]

I imagine all these copies of Lightning Bolt just sitting around with no one to love.

Kinda like the dogs and cats in the ASPCA commercials.

Won't you help?

I'LL HELP.

[EJ]

Fact:

I'd rather have BoB play piano on a PJ record than Boom, but I'd rather have any other guy in the band play the piano over BoB.

Yep. Ed can play some basic piano. Love his work on Rival. I really don't like the light, airy plonky-plonk BoB has done with them.

How'd you know its Ed? I thought it is Mitchel Froom or whatever thats guy's name

Basically i would happy without any of keyboards/organs, leave em to solo efforts

Heh, you may be right. I can't find evidence to support either one. There's a pic of Ed playing piano next to the liner notes for Rival. And, I believe I've read it before. But, you're right, Froom does have keyboard credits on the album, just not specific to any song though.

[digster]

For those that hate Future Days or Just Breathe: how would you have reacted if you had heard Betterman or Small Town again for the first time?

Fine...they're much better songs.

[Jorge]

For those that hate Future Days or Just Breathe: how would you have reacted if you had heard Betterman or Small Town again for the first time?

Fine...they're much better songs.

Yeah, I see where you're going with that Tuolumne, but I think those songs are pretty different. A better comparison (in terms of style) would be "Thumbing My Way" or "Man of the Hour", both of which I think are so much better than either FD or JB.

[digster]

I dont like how PJ feel they need to be relevant. Neil young doesnt give a shit. he puts out music as he does and every so often, it will strike a nerve in the media/music listening public. Makes for a far more interesting career. Seems as though BOB is all about "hey man, need a hit to stay relevant, he he he!!"

And most depressing about all that is PJ are in agreement with him.

Sad Face.

There is a reason Binaural is top shelf

I think the Neil Young comparison here is irrelevant and misplaced. He's a SOLO artist. Totally different beast. He can go from Crazy Horse, to Daniel Lanois, to his wife Peggy, to CSN, etc.

A better comparison would be to find a GROUP that's had a 20 plus year career. Also, a group that's had signficant commercial success (where the benchmark of appealing to mass/cult audiences are different). That would be comparable.

If you still really want to compare them to Neil Young, I'd look at the band members individually, and if you look at say, Ed. and combine his PJ output that he wrote himself with ITW and Uke songs, you'd have a fairer comparison to Neil. Solo artists are completely different animals. Apples and oranges.

Not at all. Neil had massive success with Crazy Horse multiple times. Whats your point? As a group they could all collectively agree on having a career "like a solo artist" as you put it.

PJ are trying to stay relevant and make music so they can still fill arenas. That does not make for as interesting of a career.

Yeah, go ahead and compare Neil WITH Crazy Horse. Do it. Then you have a band with a distinctive "sloppy" style. And you'd also have decades-long gaps and which he went off into various cool or awful tangents, BY HIMSELF. My point is that it's apples and oranges. Like comparing a space shuttle with a jet ski. Groups are their own thing with their own pros and cons.

I am sympathetic to this argument; I don't think you can really compare bands to solo artists. That being said, I do have to admit that there are bands that are making good, solid work at an equal point in their career to PJ (or longer!) I'm not asking PJ to equal Yield or Vitalogy, although I'd certainly welcome it. But I still think they should be on the hook for captivating, good albums.

[Chris_H_2]

I feel pretty confident that had BOB produced Binaural, songs such as Sad, Fatal, Education, or In the Moonlight wouldn't have been left off the album.

[LooseGroove927]

Today is a good day for the album to leak. Someone get on that.

4 Years ago today Backspacer leaked.

[Dr. Van Nostrand]

I feel pretty confident that had BOB produced Binaural, songs such as Sad, Fatal, Education, or In the Moonlight wouldn't have been left off the album.

Maybe, but i love that album the way it is, and we ended up getting those songs anyway.

[IlluminEddie]

For those that hate Future Days or Just Breathe: how would you have reacted if you had heard Betterman or Small Town again for the first time?

Fine...they're much better songs.

Yeah, I see where you're going with that Tuolumne, but I think those songs are pretty different. A better comparison (in terms of style) would be "Thumbing My Way" or "Man of the Hour", both of which I think are so much better than either FD or JB.

Man of the Hour is about = Just Breathe, both of these are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Future Days which is > Thumbing My Way (which is fine, but the worst of the lot)

P.S. I don't think Man of the Hour should really be compared to the others because it's played on electric.

[bodysnatcher]

oh good, 10 new pages. came to the last page first and realized I didn't miss anything. 15 minutes saved!

[wilkins]

Did it

yet?