I Cant seem2shake my PJ&LZ comparison.Time to emulate Page.

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how the hell is this thread so long?
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RockPusher wrote:They NEED to do whatever the hell they want. They are not a Led Zep cover band, and that's a good thing. Mike says he's working on finger-picking and singing now. Who knows if that will translate to the next PJ album, but if it does, I'll happily give it a chance. Jimmy Page was awesome but also stole a lot from previous musicians. That is one of the reasons I can forgive Given To Fly for being Going To California, and one of the reasons I am glad that PJ doesn't make a habit of copying other sounds, even as they show their influences on the regular.
Seriously. PJ was never trying to be Led Zeppelin (THANKFULLY!!) and I sure as shit don’t want that from them now! And I never did. This reconstruction_seeds poster wants this band to prove itself by being something it wasn’t created to be and has never intended or aspired to be.

Mike McCready should be Mike McCready. Whatever that means and whichever influences he wants to incorporate into his playing.

Not attempting to be Jimmy Page is ZERO percent a negative. Having influences that range from Page, to Freely, to Hendrix, SRV, Gilmour, punk bands, hair bands, metal, and more, and developing all those things into the sound that is Mike McCready and distinctly Pearl Jam is infinitely more impressive than playing a shit ton of chords like Jimmy Page.

Fuck that noise. Fuck this thread.
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RockPusher wrote:They NEED to do whatever the hell they want. They are not a Led Zep cover band, and that's a good thing. Mike says he's working on finger-picking and singing now. Who knows if that will translate to the next PJ album, but if it does, I'll happily give it a chance. Jimmy Page was awesome but also stole a lot from previous musicians. That is one of the reasons I can forgive Given To Fly for being Going To California, and one of the reasons I am glad that PJ doesn't make a habit of copying other sounds, even as they show their influences on the regular.
RockPusher wrote:They NEED to do whatever the hell they want. They are not a Led Zep cover band, and that's a good thing. Mike says he's working on finger-picking and singing now. Who knows if that will translate to the next PJ album, but if it does, I'll happily give it a chance. Jimmy Page was awesome but also stole a lot from previous musicians. That is one of the reasons I can forgive Given To Fly for being Going To California, and one of the reasons I am glad that PJ doesn't make a habit of copying other sounds, even as they show their influences on the regular.

I'm going to preface this post with a question. I'm just wondering if we can go back and forth for at least a day with posts containing the word need capitalized. Its really hitting the spot right now. honestly, it feels really good. so thank you for starting it.

Now you listen. I am mothering Pearl Jam and don't you get in the way of it! Why am I mothering Pearl Jam? Because as I explained, they NEED it. Greta Van Damme's boys are on the rise. These boys already have enough skill to make this contest a bloodsport. I don't wanna see an artist from this group doing the splits between two chairs with the crack of his ass straddled over Stones nose! Do you?! Do you want to see these kids throw sand in Mike's eyes?

More importantly, i will not be remotely satisfied if Pearl Jam release another album without significant guitar. Who would honestly be fine with more of the same?About every album they've released have been very good but would you really want another one like any of them? Other than a guitar album, what could they possibly put out that they haven't already in order to warrant repeated listens? A disco album? I'm fine now but If they don't put out a guitar album next I'll be bored and done with them and I'm guessing a lot of others will be too.


Btw, the list i made , that work alone is totally freaking mind-blowing amazing on Page's behalf and he only used a few blues songs limited to their first album, correct? None of which i listed. Since I've Been Loving You Is A blues song but my focus was on the blues solo which was done by Page.
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We get it. You love Page. Just fucking listen to Zeppelin and stop demanding Pearl Jam be that.
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PHATJ wrote:We get it. You love Page. Just fucking listen to Zeppelin and stop demanding Pearl Jam be that.
Am I missing something here? Did I call Stone on the phone and demand something?


Is it okay for Led Zeppelin fans who also love Pearl Jam to continue to hope they will at some point sound influenced by Led Zeppelin since Led Zeppelin no longer exist and cannot put out new music? Because so far Pearl Jam's music hasn't or maybe barely or whatever but I'd probably have to go with hasnt. If not Pearl Jam then who??? GVF is practically unlistenable.
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why would you hope a band you like later becomes influenced by another band you like?
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Ms Harmless wrote:why would you hope a band you like later becomes influenced by another band you like?

When something is so good (Page on chords and picking) you dont want it to end but it did end. Its like a drug and addict. I continue to play it over and over but I would like some variety of the same type, LZ, along with another type, PJ.
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WTF is the deal with this thread. This fuckwit loves Zep so much he/she wants PJ to start writing all their songs from the basis of a Page riff?
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PHATJ wrote:We get it. You love Page. Just fucking listen to Zeppelin and stop demanding Pearl Jam be that.
Am I missing something here? Did I call Stone on the phone and demand something?


Is it okay for Led Zeppelin fans who also love Pearl Jam to continue to hope they will at some point sound influenced by Led Zeppelin since Led Zeppelin no longer exist and cannot put out new music? Because so far Pearl Jam's music hasn't or maybe barely or whatever but I'd probably have to go with hasnt. If not Pearl Jam then who??? GVF is practically unlistenable.
You said you were “mothering” them. :roll: :shake:

GVF?

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wease wrote:WTF is the deal with this thread. This fuckwit loves Zep so much he/she wants PJ to start writing all their songs from the basis of a Page riff?
Seriously, this thread is trash.
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Brett wrote:I've never really noticed much similarity between Zeppelin and Pearl Jam, so I don't really understand the point of this thread. Is it just meant to point out that Pearl Jam's guitar players aren't as technically adept as Jimmy Page?
look man, my favorite existing band , Pearl Jam, just released a great album. It's catchy as hell.if lz hadn't existedi id probably have no complaints . I'm frustrated. I hope I'm just having a boring week and thatt it has nothing to do with gigaton ... but I fear it pushed me into another Led Zeppelin phase. I know I'll get back to listening to gigaton some but LZ is all i feel like listening to now. During the lead-up to gigatons release I focused on the album length and LZ comparison rumors. I feel like a kid who was promised Cracker Jacks but reached into the box only to find mushy, uncooked mountain oysters.

For me, instrumentation is the foundation of an album and quality vocals are just a bonus.
Regarding instrumentation, I like the atmospherics in 0700, the short heavy jam in Quick Escape, Matt and Jeff in Quick Escape, the outro in retrograde, the catchty guitar chord in retrograde, DOTC, Ed's short intro/outro in Comes then goes, mikes solos, etc but none of it is nearly enough for what i want on the next album! PJ have been at this for how many years now?! I want an album that will impress the legendary Jimmy Page!

I get it, these songs wouldn't sound right With the kind of instrumentation I'm wanting and I'm glad these songs exist but I want what I want and I'm here venting about it. All will be good if they give me a Led Zeppelin album next time around!

I think Greta Van Fleet's band name is dumb and they currently suck but if those kids ever figure out how to write songs...if Pearl Jam dont want to get showed up by a group of kids they better improve in all aspects.
Alright, I think I see what you're trying to get at here, but I think you have the wrong idea about what Pearl Jam is and how they work. For me, at least, this has never been a band that was about the technical ability of the musicians, because honestly, it's not really that advanced. These guys are stellar performers and expressive players. Throughout much of their career, they've also been pretty top notch songwriters. That's where they excel: the writing, the emotive and expressive qualities of their work, and the performances.

You don't seem to be getting what you want out of Pearl Jam, and the only reason you seem to be trying is because they have an authentic classic rock lineage. It's hard to take you seriously otherwise because you tend to rant, use the same writing style as an ornery Grandma on Facebook or Donald Trump on Twitter, and you keep bringing up Greta Van Fleet who have shown questionable promise at best.
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reconstruction_ seeds wrote:
PHATJ wrote:We get it. You love Page. Just fucking listen to Zeppelin and stop demanding Pearl Jam be that.
Am I missing something here? Did I call Stone on the phone and demand something?


Is it okay for Led Zeppelin fans who also love Pearl Jam to continue to hope they will at some point sound influenced by Led Zeppelin since Led Zeppelin no longer exist and cannot put out new music? Because so far Pearl Jam's music hasn't or maybe barely or whatever but I'd probably have to go with hasnt. If not Pearl Jam then who??? GVF is practically unlistenable.
You said you were “mothering” them. :roll: :shake:

GVF?

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reconstruction_ seeds wrote:The only thing that bothers me about Page is his playing seems to good to be legitimate, which means he could have made a deal with the dark side, which means i dont know who deserves the song writing credit, him or Satan.
I can’t take anything this goober says seriously.
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Brett wrote:
reconstruction_ seeds wrote:
Brett wrote:I've never really noticed much similarity between Zeppelin and Pearl Jam, so I don't really understand the point of this thread. Is it just meant to point out that Pearl Jam's guitar players aren't as technically adept as Jimmy Page?
look man, my favorite existing band , Pearl Jam, just released a great album. It's catchy as hell.if lz hadn't existedi id probably have no complaints . I'm frustrated. I hope I'm just having a boring week and thatt it has nothing to do with gigaton ... but I fear it pushed me into another Led Zeppelin phase. I know I'll get back to listening to gigaton some but LZ is all i feel like listening to now. During the lead-up to gigatons release I focused on the album length and LZ comparison rumors. I feel like a kid who was promised Cracker Jacks but reached into the box only to find mushy, uncooked mountain oysters.

For me, instrumentation is the foundation of an album and quality vocals are just a bonus.
Regarding instrumentation, I like the atmospherics in 0700, the short heavy jam in Quick Escape, Matt and Jeff in Quick Escape, the outro in retrograde, the catchty guitar chord in retrograde, DOTC, Ed's short intro/outro in Comes then goes, mikes solos, etc but none of it is nearly enough for what i want on the next album! PJ have been at this for how many years now?! I want an album that will impress the legendary Jimmy Page!

I get it, these songs wouldn't sound right With the kind of instrumentation I'm wanting and I'm glad these songs exist but I want what I want and I'm here venting about it. All will be good if they give me a Led Zeppelin album next time around!

I think Greta Van Fleet's band name is dumb and they currently suck but if those kids ever figure out how to write songs...if Pearl Jam dont want to get showed up by a group of kids they better improve in all aspects.
Alright, I think I see what you're trying to get at here, but I think you have the wrong idea about what Pearl Jam is and how they work. For me, at least, this has never been a band that was about the technical ability of the musicians, because honestly, it's not really that advanced. These guys are stellar performers and expressive players. Throughout much of their career, they've also been pretty top notch songwriters. That's where they excel: the writing, the emotive and expressive qualities of their work, and the performances.

You don't seem to be getting what you want out of Pearl Jam, and the only reason you seem to be trying is because they have an authentic classic rock lineage. It's hard to take you seriously otherwise because you tend to rant, use the same writing style as an ornery Grandma on Facebook or Donald Trump on Twitter, and you keep bringing up Greta Van Fleet who have shown questionable promise at best.
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I think the OP should've just been, "I hope there's a shit ton of guitar on the next album. I fuckin love guitar."
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Leatherhead wrote:I think the OP should've just been, "I hope there's a shit ton of guitar on the next album. I fuckin love guitar."
Maybe he should direct his motherly instincts towards Jimmy Page himself, who hasn't made a record in decades.
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when I read "time to emulate page" I thought it was some coding thing
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