digster wrote:Marker would be great if it had a better chorus. Actually, it's not so much that the chorus is poor as much as it is that the disconnect between verse and chorus is so great that the air gets let out of the song. S/T isn't all that bad up to and including Unemployable; I just think besides Army Reserve it falls apart after that.
Agreed, except that I find Army Reserve boring as well so the entire second half is meh to me. I'd never felt that way about a PJ album at the time, so it was a pretty bad thing.
Production aside, I've always felt like Side A up to parachutes is a nice EP while Side B is a collection of ok B-sides. I don't mind the chorus on Marker. I like parts of some of the songs from then on but it's such a noticeable drop after Parachutes and it is unlike any other PJ album in this sense. The second half definitely needs another big song (Of the Earth) or a good closer (Cold Confession).
I think if CC had closed s/t and Inside Job surfaced with Let It Ride people would argue IJ was the better song/should have been the closer.
No, not if it still had Mike's lyrics. No way.
You'd think that right? How the thread about those 2 songs evolved makes me believe this even more. When CC was still considered flawless i posted that i find the music repetitive and boring and Ed's vocal most likely not a proper take and really bad. Now I've seen the posts divided into those who think the music is boring and the vocal good on one side and those who find the music is good but the vocal bad on the other. Context influences the (initial) reception of a song and i think it's a real possibility had the 2 songs been switch their reception would also be considerably different.
None of the flaws on CC and LIR come anywhere near to the shitstorm which is the Inside Job lyrics.
digster wrote:Marker would be great if it had a better chorus. Actually, it's not so much that the chorus is poor as much as it is that the disconnect between verse and chorus is so great that the air gets let out of the song. S/T isn't all that bad up to and including Unemployable; I just think besides Army Reserve it falls apart after that.
Agreed, except that I find Army Reserve boring as well so the entire second half is meh to me. I'd never felt that way about a PJ album at the time, so it was a pretty bad thing.
Production aside, I've always felt like Side A up to parachutes is a nice EP while Side B is a collection of ok B-sides. I don't mind the chorus on Marker. I like parts of some of the songs from then on but it's such a noticeable drop after Parachutes and it is unlike any other PJ album in this sense. The second half definitely needs another big song (Of the Earth) or a good closer (Cold Confession).
I think if CC had closed s/t and Inside Job surfaced with Let It Ride people would argue IJ was the better song/should have been the closer.
No, not if it still had Mike's lyrics. No way.
You'd think that right? How the thread about those 2 songs evolved makes me believe this even more. When CC was still considered flawless i posted that i find the music repetitive and boring and Ed's vocal most likely not a proper take and really bad. Now I've seen the posts divided into those who think the music is boring and the vocal good on one side and those who find the music is good but the vocal bad on the other. Context influences the (initial) reception of a song and i think it's a real possibility had the 2 songs been switch their reception would also be considerably different.
None of the flaws on CC and LIR come anywhere near to the shitstorm which is the Inside Job lyrics.
How the hell am I supposed to disagree with this
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
I'm just gonna say it: I really enjoyed the self-titled album thoroughly, and will also add it was the right album for them at that time. I also don't have issues with Gone, Big Wave, or Inside Job.
Monkey_Driven wrote:Prediction: This doesn't leak until the last week of September.
Prediction it doesnt leak at all
Reliable sources have it leaking by October 15th. These guys have been right in the past.
Reliable sources say the band plans on leaking to the internet a Boom sex tape to help with publicity for the album release. My sources have never been wrong in the past. They are the ones who told me before Backspacer was released that it was as good as The Beatles Sgt. Pepper's.
liebzz wrote:I'm just gonna say it: I really enjoyed the self-titled album thoroughly, and will also add it was the right album for them at that time. I also don't have issues with Gone, Big Wave, orInside Job.
You have to shave your nipples if you want to be with me.
Monkey_Driven wrote:Prediction: This doesn't leak until the last week of September.
Prediction it doesnt leak at all
Reliable sources have it leaking by October 15th. These guys have been right in the past.
Reliable sources say the band plans on leaking to the internet a Boom sex tape to help with publicity for the album release. My sources have never been wrong in the past. They are the ones who told me before Backspacer was released that it was as good as The Beatles Sgt. Pepper's.
If they want to save the little relevance they have left i don't see how they wouldn't. They really don't have much of a choice.
theplatypus wrote:what if Pearl Jam had worked with Bob Rock
The only difference would be that more of the public would give a shit about their failures.
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
...at what point does this thread become the Pearl Jam version of a "theory of everything" and render all previous threads unnecessary? I mean, we're not there yet; we can't be until we actually hear Lightning Bolt and discuss it.
But that might be the only missing piece. By the time we have it and talk about it I think we'll also have covered everything else. It'll be like finally unifying general relativity with quantum mechanics.
liebzz wrote:I'm just gonna say it: I really enjoyed the self-titled album thoroughly, and will also add it was the right album for them at that time. I also don't have issues with Gone, Big Wave, or Inside Job.
Agreed with everything up to the part about Gone, Big Wave and Inside Job. I love S/T but those three on the downers for me.
Jaeti wrote:As the thread segues into an S/T discussion...
...at what point does this thread become the Pearl Jam version of a "theory of everything" and render all previous threads unnecessary? I mean, we're not there yet; we can't be until we actually hear Lightning Bolt and discuss it.
But that might be the only missing piece. By the time we have it and talk about it I think we'll also have covered everything else. It'll be like finally unifying general relativity with quantum mechanics.
Personally I will forget all 630 pages when I have the album in my hands and press play. It'll be good to start a new thread, actually. A lot of this talk has been us purging ourselves of the poison left over from Backspacer and the subsequent 4 years, and I don't want to take any baggage forward.
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RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
Jaeti wrote:As the thread segues into an S/T discussion...
...at what point does this thread become the Pearl Jam version of a "theory of everything" and render all previous threads unnecessary? I mean, we're not there yet; we can't be until we actually hear Lightning Bolt and discuss it.
But that might be the only missing piece. By the time we have it and talk about it I think we'll also have covered everything else. It'll be like finally unifying general relativity with quantum mechanics.
i dont really know what you are saying there, but yes, thats whats going on
I try not to read too much into print interviews, but this latest Bob interview made me kinda sick. Who the hell does this guy think he is? And how many interviews does this guy have to do? And is PJ that apathetic about the writing process or insecure in their own ideas that this is going on? I miss when PJ was a cult band.
PJ are still a cult band, despite any delusions of grandeur they may have.
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
Jaeti wrote:As the thread segues into an S/T discussion...
...at what point does this thread become the Pearl Jam version of a "theory of everything" and render all previous threads unnecessary? I mean, we're not there yet; we can't be until we actually hear Lightning Bolt and discuss it.
But that might be the only missing piece. By the time we have it and talk about it I think we'll also have covered everything else. It'll be like finally unifying general relativity with quantum mechanics.
Personally I will forget all 630 pages when I have the album in my hands and press play. It'll be good to start a new thread, actually. A lot of this talk has been us purging ourselves of the poison left over from Backspacer and the subsequent 4 years, and I don't want to take any baggage forward.
Jaeti wrote:As the thread segues into an S/T discussion...
...at what point does this thread become the Pearl Jam version of a "theory of everything" and render all previous threads unnecessary? I mean, we're not there yet; we can't be until we actually hear Lightning Bolt and discuss it.
But that might be the only missing piece. By the time we have it and talk about it I think we'll also have covered everything else. It'll be like finally unifying general relativity with quantum mechanics.
Personally I will forget all 630 pages when I have the album in my hands and press play. It'll be good to start a new thread, actually. A lot of this talk has been us purging ourselves of the poison left over from Backspacer and the subsequent 4 years, and I don't want to take any baggage forward.
No one gets out of this thread alive.
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
harmless wrote:PJ are still a cult band, despite any delusions of grandeur they may have.
The point is the music is affected by their delusion.
Yup.
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
