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Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

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I don't think the lyrics deserve much analysis on Supersonic, but what the hell does EV mean by:

I'm not the paper, I'm more like the fold
Cut the crease & put the shit in the hold
(or is it hole?)
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Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

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Sgt. Crackpot wrote:I don't think the lyrics deserve much analysis on Supersonic, but what the hell does EV mean by:

I'm not the paper, I'm more like the fold
Cut the crease & put the shit in the hold
Origami for coprophiles?
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Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

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Sgt. Crackpot wrote:I don't think the lyrics deserve much analysis on Supersonic, but what the hell does EV mean by:

I'm not the paper, I'm more like the fold
Cut the crease & put the shit in the whole
hole*

dustbin?
letter box?
ballot box?

I've never disliked those lines, even in my hatred. He's not the paper, or the message written on it, he's the action of folding the paper, cutting the slip off and posting it through the hole.

That's how I interpret it, anyway. It's far too clever for a silly song, but it basically saves the song.
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Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

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Juvenal wrote:
Sgt. Crackpot wrote:I don't think the lyrics deserve much analysis on Supersonic, but what the hell does EV mean by:

I'm not the paper, I'm more like the fold
Cut the crease & put the shit in the hold
Origami for coprophiles?
:lol: I think you've nailed it.
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harmless wrote:
Sgt. Crackpot wrote:I don't think the lyrics deserve much analysis on Supersonic, but what the hell does EV mean by:

I'm not the paper, I'm more like the fold
Cut the crease & put the shit in the whole
hole*

dustbin?
letter box?
ballot box?

I've never disliked those lines, even in my hatred. He's not the paper, or the message written on it, he's the action of folding the paper, cutting the slip off and posting it through the hole.

That's how I interpret it, anyway. It's far too clever for a silly song, but it basically saves the song.
Makes sense. I think it's just hard top develop a metaphor from those lines when they follow:

Yeah, I been thinkin' I already know
Nothin' 'bout nothin' or so I have been told, yeah


:lol:
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Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

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Sgt. Crackpot wrote:
harmless wrote:
Sgt. Crackpot wrote:I don't think the lyrics deserve much analysis on Supersonic, but what the hell does EV mean by:

I'm not the paper, I'm more like the fold
Cut the crease & put the shit in the whole
hole*

dustbin?
letter box?
ballot box?

I've never disliked those lines, even in my hatred. He's not the paper, or the message written on it, he's the action of folding the paper, cutting the slip off and posting it through the hole.

That's how I interpret it, anyway. It's far too clever for a silly song, but it basically saves the song.
Makes sense. I think it's just hard top develop a metaphor from those lines when they follow:

Yeah, I been thinkin' I already know
Nothin' 'bout nothin' or so I have been told, yeah


:lol:
Not really, because those lines are about what he's learned, and he's learned that he knows very little except that we have to act, politically and everything else, and be proactive. The following lines draw on that. The way that the lines change from talking (first two lines) to doing (the imagery in the next two lines) is quite clever.
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Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

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Juvenal wrote:
harmless wrote:'Supersonic' isn't as bad as I think it is, but you've got to be in the right mood. It's still completely ridiculous.
I agree. It's got a Big Waveesque feel but it's ok.

A lower-tier PJ song for sure, but way better than Big Wave. That breakdown in Supersonic is pretty badass. 8-)
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If 'Let The Records Play' has a better chorus than Supersonic lyrically, but is otherwise pretty similar, I'd be OK with that.
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You're probably right, man. Sometimes though, despite all of our interpretations and theories, only EV really only truly knows what he means (probably). That's the beauty of his art.

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Sgt. Crackpot wrote:You're probably right, man. Sometimes though, despite all of our interpretations and theories, only EV really only truly knows what he means (probably). That's the beauty of his art.

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We can never really know what any artist means with anything they do, but it's good enough if we can interpret what they give us. That's the point I think. Otherwise the albums would come with instructions.
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Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

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Sgt. Crackpot wrote:I don't think the lyrics deserve much analysis on Supersonic, but what the hell does EV mean by:

I'm not the paper, I'm more like the fold
Cut the crease & put the shit in the hold
(or is it hole?)

Never thought to analyze Supersonic, but you guys got me to listen back to it. :thumbsup:

My interpretation: He's talking about putting a vote into the ballot box. He views himself not as the candidate or the voting 'machine', but as the one who has the freedom to make the choice. When the paper is folded, the choice has been made and action has been taken. The whole song is pretty throwaway, so I doubt there's too much depth to it, but we all know Ed likes to infuse politics into most songs nowadays.
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harmless wrote:
Sgt. Crackpot wrote:You're probably right, man. Sometimes though, despite all of our interpretations and theories, only EV really only truly knows what he means (probably). That's the beauty of his art.

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We can never really know what any artist means with anything they do, but it's good enough if we can interpret what they give us. That's the point I think. Otherwise the albums would come with instructions.
Good point. If the Avocado album came with instructions, it would say:

Caution: Loud, crunchy, badly produced music.
1) Put into CD player.
2) Listen to for a while.
3) Get disappointed.
4) Get more disappointed.
5) Become disillusioned.
6) Masturbate alone, crying.
7) Throw CD somewhere and forget about.
8) Repeat step 6.
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This is a pop song and there's no time to sound deep, but for what it is, it's pretty clever.
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Sgt. Crackpot wrote:
harmless wrote:
Sgt. Crackpot wrote:You're probably right, man. Sometimes though, despite all of our interpretations and theories, only EV really only truly knows what he means (probably). That's the beauty of his art.

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We can never really know what any artist means with anything they do, but it's good enough if we can interpret what they give us. That's the point I think. Otherwise the albums would come with instructions.
Good point. If the Avocado album came with instructions, it would say:

Caution: Loud, crunchy, badly produced music.
1) Put into CD player.
2) Listen to for a while.
3) Get disappointed.
4) Get more disappointed.
5) Become disillusioned.
6) Masturbate alone, crying.
7) Throw CD somewhere and forget about.
8) Repeat step 6.
:lol:
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Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15

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Sgt. Crackpot wrote:I don't think the lyrics deserve much analysis on Supersonic, but what the hell does EV mean by:

I'm not the paper, I'm more like the fold
Cut the crease & put the shit in the hold
(or is it hole?)

I think its:

cut the crease and put the shit in the whole


as in he's the dividing line between to halves and wants it all to become one
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That's what I used to think but it makes less sense. Put the paper in the paper? Put the shit in the paper, then put the paper in the paper?
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I'm not the paper, I'm more like the fold
Cut the crease & put the shit in the hold (or is it hole?)


its hole. he's reading the paper on the toilet and making it easier to read by folding it multiple times.
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Are the lines in fact about going to the toilet? Maybe he's not a scruncher.
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SomethingCreative wrote:
Sgt. Crackpot wrote:I don't think the lyrics deserve much analysis on Supersonic, but what the hell does EV mean by:

I'm not the paper, I'm more like the fold
Cut the crease & put the shit in the hold
(or is it hole?)

I think its:

cut the crease and put the shit in the whole


as in he's the dividing line between to halves and wants it all to become one
That's what I had originally, but edited it because I thought I had it wrong. This is probably one of those blurry lyric issues like violins/violence in Daughter. Maybe it's purposely that way, so the listener can decide for themselves.
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Does anyone actually scrunch? :shake:
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