Gigaton: Official album thread

[pjfanman]

I'm not sure what to make about all of this - I like both Backspacer and Gigaton....

That’s like liking both Obama and Trump.

Can't you like both of those guys too?

Gigaton is incredible but I really like Backspacer and think it’s a very underrated album.

[E.H. Ruddock]

J, saying that someone who doesn't like one thing therefore doesn't like an entire category of things is a baseless projection. People do this all the time. If you don't like Sgt. Pepper, you don't like the Beatles, who have 12 other albums. If you don't like Kind of Blue, you don't like the entire genre of jazz, which comprises literally tens of thousands of records. That's what I mean by baseless projection. No one thing is that representative of all other things.

Good catch on the typo.

Ok, Kevin.

He's not wrong

[Birds in Hell]

Of course there’s some shtick in there. The basic elements of what I’m saying is what I mean. The language I use to convey those thoughts and ideas is often tongue-in-cheek, or meant to be a little silly. You are absolutely taking it way more seriously than I was.

Maybe that's the way they seem to you, but to me your posts just read as being boorish and obnoxious.

It feels like a continuation of your posts elsewhere on the board, where the only intent is to post something so deliberately offensive and/or stupid that you'll almost inevitably receive a response from other RM users in return, which you can then pivot to say you were only trying to get a rise out of them. As you said, you're not taking it seriously, and it amuses you that others do.

Isn't that incredibly tiresome? For you, I mean - I already know it is for others.

It’s not at all a continuation. My PJ opinions have nothing to do with my politics.

I don't mean to comment on your politics; rather, your belligerent posting style.

[Hatfield]

Haven't been able to muster any enthusiasm to listen to this album.

Maybe things will swing back around at some point, but I wonder if my interest in Pearl Jam is now primarily historical.

Same. I did like three songs, put it aside for something and never returned.

SNC, I need you to keep giving Gigaton a try. You are a super fan from WAY back, at least in my online world. I think there is more in this album for you. I have you tried listening.......on WEED?!

[E.H. Ruddock]

Phatj, you are the epitome of what they want at the pit. If you were over there posting this you'd probably have met the band by now!

[PHATJ]

Of course there’s some shtick in there. The basic elements of what I’m saying is what I mean. The language I use to convey those thoughts and ideas is often tongue-in-cheek, or meant to be a little silly. You are absolutely taking it way more seriously than I was.

Maybe that's the way they seem to you, but to me your posts just read as being boorish and obnoxious.

It feels like a continuation of your posts elsewhere on the board, where the only intent is to post something so deliberately offensive and/or stupid that you'll almost inevitably receive a response from other RM users in return, which you can then pivot to say you were only trying to get a rise out of them. As you said, you're not taking it seriously, and it amuses you that others do.

Isn't that incredibly tiresome? For you, I mean - I already know it is for others.

It’s not at all a continuation. My PJ opinions have nothing to do with my politics.

I don't mean to comment on your politics; rather, your belligerent posting style.

I’m really only abrasive with those who have been particularly dickish to me at some point.

[PHATJ]

Phatj, you are the epitome of what they want at the pit. If you were over there posting this you'd probably have met the band by now!

Lol, I can’t stand the pit.

[Birds in Hell]

Of course there’s some shtick in there. The basic elements of what I’m saying is what I mean. The language I use to convey those thoughts and ideas is often tongue-in-cheek, or meant to be a little silly. You are absolutely taking it way more seriously than I was.

Maybe that's the way they seem to you, but to me your posts just read as being boorish and obnoxious.

It feels like a continuation of your posts elsewhere on the board, where the only intent is to post something so deliberately offensive and/or stupid that you'll almost inevitably receive a response from other RM users in return, which you can then pivot to say you were only trying to get a rise out of them. As you said, you're not taking it seriously, and it amuses you that others do.

Isn't that incredibly tiresome? For you, I mean - I already know it is for others.

It’s not at all a continuation. My PJ opinions have nothing to do with my politics.

I don't mean to comment on your politics; rather, your belligerent posting style.

I’m really only abrasive with those who have been particularly dickish to me at some point.

Is being deliberately "abrasive" not unbearably boring?

It seems like it would be, but hey, perhaps not.

[E.H. Ruddock]

Phatj, you are the epitome of what they want at the pit. If you were over there posting this you'd probably have met the band by now!

Lol, I can’t stand the pit.

Do you.. uh.. see how.. uh...nvrmnd

[PHATJ]

Of course there’s some shtick in there. The basic elements of what I’m saying is what I mean. The language I use to convey those thoughts and ideas is often tongue-in-cheek, or meant to be a little silly. You are absolutely taking it way more seriously than I was.

Maybe that's the way they seem to you, but to me your posts just read as being boorish and obnoxious.

It feels like a continuation of your posts elsewhere on the board, where the only intent is to post something so deliberately offensive and/or stupid that you'll almost inevitably receive a response from other RM users in return, which you can then pivot to say you were only trying to get a rise out of them. As you said, you're not taking it seriously, and it amuses you that others do.

Isn't that incredibly tiresome? For you, I mean - I already know it is for others.

It’s not at all a continuation. My PJ opinions have nothing to do with my politics.

I don't mean to comment on your politics; rather, your belligerent posting style.

I’m really only abrasive with those who have been particularly dickish to me at some point.

Is being deliberately "abrasive" not unbearably boring?

It seems like it would be, but hey, perhaps not.

This conversation has been significantly more boring so far.

[96583UP]

I remember when I was the dirty commie version of PhatJ on this website

any advice for Mr. J, based on your experience and subsequent sabbatical?

[Leatherhead]

I only started paying much attention to PHATJ's posts once Gigaton hit. Since then I've seen nothing I'd call particularly abrasive or belligerent.

[VinylGuy]

PHATJ is awesome guys. You are giving him a hard time just because you are bored.

[warehouse]

there should be way more 5 stars for this thing. its seems like both pro and anti backspacer people love this thing. again, best since yield, which is my 1-2 favorite album.

[Leatherhead]

there should be way more 5 stars for this thing. its seems like both pro and anti backspacer people love this thing. again, best since yield, which is my 1-2 favorite album.

In time I think more people could move it to 5 stars. I think it can be hard to compare how much you like something that's so new, to something you've loved for years.

[PHATJ]

I only started paying much attention to PHATJ's posts once Gigaton hit. Since then I've seen nothing I'd call particularly abrasive or belligerent.

Thank you.

[VinylGuy]

there should be way more 5 stars for this thing. its seems like both pro and anti backspacer people love this thing. again, best since yield, which is my 1-2 favorite album.

In time I think more people could move it to 5 stars. I think it can be hard to compare how much you like something that's so new, to something you've loved for years.

Agree.

But my PJ ranking these days is something like this

1-No Code
2-Vs
3-Yield
4-Binaural
5-Gigaton
6-Vitalogy
7-Ten
8-Riot Act
9-ST
10-Backspacer
11-LB

[PHATJ]

PHATJ is awesome guys. You are giving him a hard time just because you are bored.

thanks, VG

[warehouse]

there should be way more 5 stars for this thing. its seems like both pro and anti backspacer people love this thing. again, best since yield, which is my 1-2 favorite album.

In time I think more people could move it to 5 stars. I think it can be hard to compare how much you like something that's so new, to something you've loved for years.

Agree.

But my PJ ranking these days is something like this

1-No Code
2-Vs
3-Yield
4-Binaural
5-Gigaton
6-Vitalogy
7-Ten
8-Riot Act
9-ST
10-Backspacer
11-LB

i'm still having a hard time ranking this with the rest of the catalogue, for the reasons stated above. how am i supposed to rank a brand new album over an album that shaped my life since i was like 10? but the quality of songs on this thing doesnt seem to be in question. part of it is the diversity, they go all over the place with this one.

[PHATJ]

there should be way more 5 stars for this thing. its seems like both pro and anti backspacer people love this thing. again, best since yield, which is my 1-2 favorite album.

In time I think more people could move it to 5 stars. I think it can be hard to compare how much you like something that's so new, to something you've loved for years.

Do people generally do this with all their entertainment or is this just a PJ centric ideal?

When the most recent The National album came out last year I had no qualms calling it my favorite new music in many years and probably my favorite album by the band. That opinion didn’t get scoffed at. I don’t remember people saying “it’s great, but I have to wait for a few years before I can say it’s favorite”.

When you see a new movie you love, or TV series that is everything you want it to be, or read a new book that you instantly connect with, or eat a meal that blows your mind, do you wait for months or years before you call it your favorite? Or do you allow the awesome experience you are having with it to actually be your favorite thing for that time, and the foreseeable future, and maybe forever, if that’s what happens?