harmless wrote:If PJ want to rub off the grunge facade and become a widely-appealing classic rock band, I don't mind them doing it this way. I don't mind it at all.
"Grunge," as I'm sure you would agree harmless, is just a media-concocted label that has nothing to do with music anyway.
To me, what happened in the early 90s, musically-speaking, was that hard rock and punk music ditched the excess, the strippers, the private jets and all the other bullshit and started being about the music again. I don't think *any* of the music was that groundbreaking other than reintroducing some music with heart to a younger generation.
I don't need to have the grunge conversation again. I know what it is and I was using the term loosely. 'Grunge' could be interchanged with 'cool' now, for most PJ fans. If what they do isn't perceived as 'cool', it suddenly becomes AOR like Bon Jovi.
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
stip wrote:basically the people who were largely done with pearl jam haven't liked it, and the people who aren't seem pretty excited by the new material.
sounds like I'll like it.
it IS a logical extenstion of Backspacer in that it's got songs coming from a similar mindset with more interesting execution.
Or maybe they're just newer. Hopefully the former. I think they're good. L-bolt may be the only one of this batch I love. We'll see if they are peaking because they are new or if they are going to grow on me as they become familiar and are situated within the album. Could go either way based on past practice. I tried to hedge my bets in the review.
The guitar in LTRP reminds me a little if Otis taylors ten million slaves, a little. The bass reminds me of this band of skulls song who's name I can't recall.
solace wrote:guys. LTRP sounds *FUCKING NOTHING* like The Black Keys.
- Sincerely, a Black Keys fan since 2002
The guitar tone and the riff in the verses sounds like it's in the same vein as Howlin' For You or a song like that. The entire song doesn't sound like Black Keys, but that main riff definitely evokes the same kind of feel.
right. both are just based on 12 bar blues, which is the basis for about a million songs
Absolutely, but production-wise, tone wise, and in terms of "current" rock music, BK is the obvious comparison.
solace wrote:guys. LTRP sounds *FUCKING NOTHING* like The Black Keys.
- Sincerely, a Black Keys fan since 2002
The guitar tone and the riff in the verses sounds like it's in the same vein as Howlin' For You or a song like that. The entire song doesn't sound like Black Keys, but that main riff definitely evokes the same kind of feel.
right. both are just based on 12 bar blues, which is the basis for about a million songs
Absolutely, but production-wise, tone wise, and in terms of "contemporary" rock music, BK is the obvious comparison.
Haven't heard them yet, but it's interesting that, according to Mike, don't all of these songs come from the second recording session they did? I seem to remember these songs (or at least most of them) being singled out on that interview he did.
stip wrote:basically the people who were largely done with pearl jam haven't liked it, and the people who aren't seem pretty excited by the new material.
sounds like I'll like it.
it IS a logical extenstion of Backspacer in that it's got songs coming from a similar mindset with more interesting execution.
Or maybe they're just newer. Hopefully the former. I think they're good. L-bolt may be the only one of this batch I love. We'll see if they are peaking because they are new or if they are going to grow on me as they become familiar and are situated within the album. Could go either way based on past practice. I tried to hedge my bets in the review.
I'd be fine with that.
If I can hazard a guess, I think you'll be OK with these, Coach.
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
harmless wrote:If PJ want to rub off the grunge facade and become a widely-appealing classic rock band, I don't mind them doing it this way. I don't mind it at all.
I've never really viewed the band as "grunge rock". They've always sounded closer to a classic rock band to me.
I've seen them as classic rock, but with contemporary hard rock and experimental flourishes to make them a bit 'cooler'. But the 'cool' flourishes are going and they're courting a wider appeal is all I'm saying. I'm fine with that if I still like the song.
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
harmless wrote:If PJ want to rub off the grunge facade and become a widely-appealing classic rock band, I don't mind them doing it this way. I don't mind it at all.
"Grunge," as I'm sure you would agree harmless, is just a media-concocted label that has nothing to do with music anyway.
To me, what happened in the early 90s, musically-speaking, was that hard rock and punk music ditched the excess, the strippers, the private jets and all the other bullshit and started being about the music again. I don't think *any* of the music was that groundbreaking other than reintroducing some music with heart to a younger generation.
The music I'm thinking of is difficult for me to put a label or time on (i'm sure others could describe it better). It trickled out over the 80s and 90s and maybe in the late 70s as well, but don't really match the stereotype of those decades (mostly because they were so forgettable). It has a lot of faces, but its mostly bland mid tempo guitar rock. MOR or adult contemporary I guess you would call it. Anyway its not what I'd call vital listening, and I don't get why they seem to be so into it now.
harmless wrote:If PJ want to rub off the grunge facade and become a widely-appealing classic rock band, I don't mind them doing it this way. I don't mind it at all.
"Grunge," as I'm sure you would agree harmless, is just a media-concocted label that has nothing to do with music anyway.
To me, what happened in the early 90s, musically-speaking, was that hard rock and punk music ditched the excess, the strippers, the private jets and all the other bullshit and started being about the music again. I don't think *any* of the music was that groundbreaking other than reintroducing some music with heart to a younger generation.
The music I'm thinking of is difficult for me to put a label or time on (i'm sure others could describe it better). It trickled out over the 80s and 90s and maybe in the late 70s as well, but don't really match the stereotype of those decades (mostly because they were so forgettable). It has a lot of faces, but its mostly bland mid tempo guitar rock. MOR or adult contemporary I guess you would call it. Anyway its not what I'd call vital listening, and I don't get why they seem to be so into it now.
Well, most Pearl Jam fans ARE now in the target demographic age group for that schlock.
stip wrote:basically the people who were largely done with pearl jam haven't liked it, and the people who aren't seem pretty excited by the new material.
sounds like I'll like it.
it IS a logical extenstion of Backspacer in that it's got songs coming from a similar mindset with more interesting execution.
Or maybe they're just newer. Hopefully the former. I think they're good. L-bolt may be the only one of this batch I love. We'll see if they are peaking because they are new or if they are going to grow on me as they become familiar and are situated within the album. Could go either way based on past practice. I tried to hedge my bets in the review.
I'd be fine with that.
I almost feel like every successive album of Pearl Jam's has been a logical extension of the previous. They are constantly evolving, which is why I (and I think everyone here) love them. I'm excited!
