Cops Are The Worst

[elliseamos]

PHATJ, crusader for social justice, here to explain to us the difference between the actions of angry colored folk.

If you can’t see the difference, you are clearly mentally retarded.

DONT BE RETARDED DUDE

could we all find a different way to say that? Like: "don't be an asshole?" Everyone has an asshole. We can all relate. But using that other word, I can't really relate to such an offensive word.

[Superblood Wolfmoon]

PHATJ, crusader for social justice, here to explain to us the difference between the actions of angry colored folk.

If you can’t see the difference, you are clearly mentally retarded.

Herp derp

[wease]

PHATJ, crusader for social justice, here to explain to us the difference between the actions of angry colored folk.

If you can’t see the difference, you are clearly mentally retarded.

If you can't see how condoning the actions of and supporting the ideology of a racist makes you a racist, perhaps you are the one that's mentally retarded. Or you have your head buried up your ass. Either way...

[Superblood Wolfmoon]

PHATJ, crusader for social justice, here to explain to us the difference between the actions of angry colored folk.

If you can’t see the difference, you are clearly mentally retarded.

If you can't see how condoning the actions of and supporting the ideology of a racist makes you a racist, perhaps you are the one that's mentally retarded. Or you have your head buried up your ass. Either way...

Little bit of both. I mean a lot of both.

[Chris_H_2]

PHATJ, crusader for social justice, here to explain to us the difference between the actions of angry colored folk.

If you can’t see the difference, you are clearly mentally retarded.

If you can't see how condoning the actions of and supporting the ideology of a racist makes you a racist, perhaps you are the one that's mentally retarded. Or you have your head buried up your ass. Either way...

"just because i support a racist doesn't make me a racist" is a lot like saying "i'm not gay but my boyfriend is."

[elliseamos]

is that from tiger king?

[McParadigm]

[Mickey]

Josh might want to remember that there already were nonviolent anti-cop protests in America. In fact, he's commented on them on this very board!

Saying that the idea that people aren't watching because of politics is patently absurd is actually absurd. I am aware of several people that have quite watching because of politics. One being a 10+ years season ticket holder. And I admit that my interest in the NFL has definitely decreased due to the political stuff, although I'm still watching Vikings games when I can.

On multiple occasions, even!

I'm really not gonna fight about it. Just know that my thinking a song isn't necessary to enjoy a ball game has nothing to do with how I feel about my country or those who have served and sacrificed. If we ever hang out at a game, I promise I won't talk or drink or eat during that song for you. Out of respect for you and your preferences.

To be clear, I wouldn’t have any problem with the anthem not being played before sporting events. I agree that it isn’t “necessary”. But if/when it’s played (under pretty much any circumstances) respect should be shown. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

[PHATJ]

Why are you guys so desperate to excuse such horrific behavior. Cities are burning to the ground. Civilians are losing their businesses and houses. This isn’t protesting, its mayhem. It’s incredibly dangerous for everyone that lives in these areas, which are primarily minority neighborhoods and businesses. The lengths you will go to defend horrific, criminal behavior, proves how morally bankrupt you are. You actually have zero care or love in your hearts for humanity, no matter the race. You are mentally inept and wicked in the heart and mind. Destruction, terrorism, and potentially lethal violence in the streets benefits no one, certainty not George Floyd. Now people who had difficult situations already will have extraordinarily difficult circumstances for the coming months, if not longer.

[wease]

Why are you guys so desperate to excuse such horrific behavior. Cities are burning to the ground. Civilians are losing their businesses and houses. This isn’t protesting, its mayhem. It’s incredibly dangerous for everyone that lives in these areas, which are primarily minority neighborhoods and businesses. The lengths you will go to defend horrific, criminal behavior, proves how morally bankrupt you are. You actually have zero care or love in your hearts for humanity, no matter the race. You are mentally inept and wicked in the heart and mind. Destruction, terrorism, and potentially lethal violence in the streets benefits no one, certainty not George Floyd. Now people who had difficult situations already will have extraordinarily difficult circumstances for the coming months, if not longer.

Why are YOU so desperate to excuse such horrific behavior?

[PHATJ]

Why are you guys so desperate to excuse such horrific behavior. Cities are burning to the ground. Civilians are losing their businesses and houses. This isn’t protesting, its mayhem. It’s incredibly dangerous for everyone that lives in these areas, which are primarily minority neighborhoods and businesses. The lengths you will go to defend horrific, criminal behavior, proves how morally bankrupt you are. You actually have zero care or love in your hearts for humanity, no matter the race. You are mentally inept and wicked in the heart and mind. Destruction, terrorism, and potentially lethal violence in the streets benefits no one, certainty not George Floyd. Now people who had difficult situations already will have extraordinarily difficult circumstances for the coming months, if not longer.

Why are YOU so desperate to excuse such horrific behavior?

What the hell are you talking about?

[McParadigm]

Remembering this exchange back in December:

American sees what huge assholes and arrogant pricks the left is.

I’m familiar with this “Democrats are so full of hate! Oh how I hate them for their endless hate!” zealotry. Every grievance you don’t share must be faked. Every political ambition you oppose must be secretly corrupted. Every policy idea you dislike must be a scheme. When you feel anger towards others, it is legitimate. When others feel anger towards your political teammates, it is unhinged bitterness. Every fear you don’t share is just a manipulative posture. You look at people whose values and desires are different from you and can’t see anything but hate. And in that righteousness, you are able to recognize the falseness of any evidence to the contrary.

There’s a lot of this attitude in the place where I grew up, and my experience is that the people who enter into it often have very little trouble reaching the next logical step: when I hurt you, it is justified.

[Mickey]

It's actually quite easy to both disavow needless violence and condemn the history of racist policing and the structural forces that make today's protests understandable, including police antagonism that certainly made today worse. Holding more than one idea in your head at a time is relatively simple once your brain has progressed past what they call "the walnut stage."

[Superblood Wolfmoon]

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[macphisto]

FFFFFFFFFFFUCK!

Local news crew’s hired security removing a police weapon from a protester. He then returned it to the PD.

He seemed pretty comfortable clearing the weapon, and had another slung (perhaps taken off of another looter?). Others had speculated an undercover cop, but how much range time do they get?

Dude knows how to operate. I'd bet money he's a combat veteran.

[PHATJ]

It's actually quite easy to both disavow needless violence and condemn the history of racist policing and the structural forces that make today's protests understandable, including police antagonism that certainly made today worse. Holding more than one idea in your head at a time is relatively simple once your brain has progressed past what they call "the walnut stage."

This has been my position the entire time.

[wease]

Why are you guys so desperate to excuse such horrific behavior. Cities are burning to the ground. Civilians are losing their businesses and houses. This isn’t protesting, its mayhem. It’s incredibly dangerous for everyone that lives in these areas, which are primarily minority neighborhoods and businesses. The lengths you will go to defend horrific, criminal behavior, proves how morally bankrupt you are. You actually have zero care or love in your hearts for humanity, no matter the race. You are mentally inept and wicked in the heart and mind. Destruction, terrorism, and potentially lethal violence in the streets benefits no one, certainty not George Floyd. Now people who had difficult situations already will have extraordinarily difficult circumstances for the coming months, if not longer.

Why are YOU so desperate to excuse such horrific behavior?

What the hell are you talking about?

The behavior of your lord and savior, Donald Jesus Trump. Absolutely nothing he does is moral. He has no care or love in his heart for humanity and hates all races except white. And if some of those whites speak Spanish as a primary language, he hates them, too. He is mentally inept and wicked in the heart and mind. He only cares about himself. You see everything the man does and continue to support him and his bullshit, racist MAGA agenda. So why do you excuse such horrific behavior? What kind of issues could you possibly support of his that are moral or reflect the care or love in your heart for humanity?

[Mickey]

It's actually quite easy to both disavow needless violence and condemn the history of racist policing and the structural forces that make today's protests understandable, including police antagonism that certainly made today worse. Holding more than one idea in your head at a time is relatively simple once your brain has progressed past what they call "the walnut stage."

This has been my position the entire time.

My guy, posting a "this is a protest, this is a riot" Facebook memes does not evince any nuanced understanding of today's events.

[simple schoolboy]

We really need to go through each police department review policies and get them all up to a standard that respects the citizens they serve and move away from these terrible overreaches of power.

They’ll keep claiming it’s justified because probably, legally, it is justified under their policies that could be decades old. Just because they are legal policies, don’t make them right.

I work for a city and police department near the St. Louis area. It’s a small department. Police officers and supervisory staff are my co-workers. I deal with them everyday. This department has very stringent hiring practices to weed out possible problem officers. There’s a probationary period that if the new officer isn’t meeting the standards of the department, they can be dismissed. Commanders are constantly updated and enforcing policies to better reflect a more transparent agency. Officers go through a lot of training, and with a lot of medical / doctor facilities in our city, CIT training is expanded. They pride themselves on de-escalating conflicts with minimal use of force tactics.

A lot of this happened pre-Ferguson, but it’s also been expanded Post-Ferguson as well as state/county justice guidelines were changed.

I think all departments need to take a long hard look at their deficiencies and push for changes. It’s the only way you can get the public to trust you again.

None of this matters so long as police unions continue to exist. Qualified immunity is another issue, but thats just about Civil litigation.

Bad actors such as the coward of Broward County will get rehired and receive backpay due to union rules.

yes, independent contractors working for private security companies would be better.

Public sector unions shouldn't exist, especially not police unions. If you prefer the status quo where cops can murder and keep their jobs, at least own it.

This is absolutely not binary and to attempt to say so is crazy.

Police unions as they exist are the number one roadblock to actually firing or disciplining bad officers. I can't imagine a union that existed only to bargain for compensation and let the employer set all workplace and punishment policies.

State level LEOBAR laws are another big issue, but I'm not hearing about rolling those back, probably due to public sector solidarity.q

I dont know if "leobar" is a typo or an actual thing, regardless, you dismiss something else everytime you try to pin this on unions. If "bad cops" can't get fired, then how did the man that killed Greg? Lloyd just get fired and arrested for murder?

Law Enforcement Officers Bill of Rights are state level laws that restrict how police misconduct is investigated among other things. Between that and collective bargaining agreements, officers under investigation for misconduct are provided with all the evidence collected so they can review it before they are asked to make a statement. It allows them to concoct a narrative to make their conduct seem more reasonable in hindsight. It is also something not afforded to non police suspects (civilians get Brady material after charges have been filed, not before).

Bad cops can be fired, but like other union employees they dont stay fired. The Broward County school resource officer that refused to go in and engage the shooter was fired, but just recently adjudicated to have not been fired appropriately so he's been reinstated with back pay.

Separate from union issues, cops that are convicted will frequently get a felony conviction knocked down to a misdemeanor or lesser charge so they dont lose their accreditation. I don't know how frequently this is done for other professional classes. When this occurs, it may be sufficient cause to fire them, but they can often be hired by neighbboring agencies. A lot of shitty cops get traded around in this manner.

Thanks for these details. Very informative.

Also, I agree that these details make a good case for changes to end the absurd proctections of individuals that act wrongly.

However, these details do not support a statement that calls for the end of publoc sector unions.

We can disagree on that bit, but the big issue is that there are massive legal and structural issues in the way of police reform. I suppose you could resolve the union issue by changing the culture, but there are currently no incentives for that. The Judicially invented Qualified Immunity and LEOBAR stuff will take major judicial and legislative changes.

[PHATJ]

It's actually quite easy to both disavow needless violence and condemn the history of racist policing and the structural forces that make today's protests understandable, including police antagonism that certainly made today worse. Holding more than one idea in your head at a time is relatively simple once your brain has progressed past what they call "the walnut stage."

This has been my position the entire time.

My guy, posting a "this is a protest, this is a riot" Facebook memes does not evince any nuanced understanding of today's events.

That was a response to the moronic post just two before that.