Cops Are The Worst

Post by **Mickey** » Sun May 31, 2020 6:03 pm

A few more horrifying videos from yesterday. Px posted the last one of these in the gun thread but it merits revisiting. "Light em up" makes me absolutely sick.

Norah · Post by **Norah** » Sun May 31, 2020 6:06 pm

Mickey wrote:I'm going to dip, I think this has played itself out and it feels wrong to keep kicking Josh when it sounds like he's having a rough go of it. I'll only note one final thing: individual misfortune does not in some way disprove systemic inequality. I hope you don't lose your house, Josh. I also know that home ownership is not a reality for the majority of black families, that there's a 30% gap in home ownership between black and white families and that the post civil rights gains in black homeownership were wiped out by the 2007 financial crisis created by GOP policy (and, it should be noted, worsened by Obama's bank-friendly recovery). And there's no way to talk about the destruction of big corporate chains in black neighborhoods without talking about the erosion of black communities by way of this housing crisis from which brands like Target emerged unscathed. So when we talk about a "great economy," we always have to ask, for who, and that question cannot be answered by reflexively pointing to the most recent news item (the mayor is A DEM!) but by a longer and more nuanced causal analysis capable of at least gesturing to the textured complexity of the world.

for whom

Norah · Post by **Norah** » Sun May 31, 2020 6:08 pm

dimejinky99 wrote:Just a heads up. Rubber bullets are killers and were invented by the British to control those pesky Irish

They have killed and maimed people. And continue to do so it seems.

A girl in Boston was killed by one in 2004.

PHATJ · Post by **PHATJ** » Sun May 31, 2020 6:09 pm

McParadigm wrote:
PHATJ wrote:Sure. But I’d ask all of you why can’t anything happen without you blaming Trump? Can’t these few cops just be terrible people that deserve to be in prison? Why does everything come down to your outrage against one man that literally had nothing to do with what happened?
A quick search shows the first mention of Donald Trump in all of this to be simple a question about whether he had made any sort of statement yet:
Rangi Guy wrote:Has Trump said anything to condem the cops actions at all?
After that, the conversation around him continues to be about his RESPONSE TO this moment....the lack of leadership, the fetishist war tweets about “the front lines” at the White House. The press conference with nothing to say about it and NO QUESTIONS TAKEN. There is no national event, especially one this traumatic, where the president’s leadership response is irrelevant or above evaluation.

But you can stop arguing that Trump isn’t responsible for this man’s death, because you’re arguing against no one. No one thinks Donald Trump caused the man to die. Everyone is too busy wondering when he’s going to stop responding by stoking the fires of violence and emphasizing the political divide.

Josh. Honestly. No matter what you think of the protesters, I don’t understand how you can look at this and not see the indiscriminate and purposefully escalating reaction by a militarized police force as THE THING right now. They’re shooting at people standing on their porches. They’re macing children. They’re driving cars into crowds, running calm, quiet people over on horseback, targeting journalists, and assaulting nurse’s tents.

Nothing any crowd does justifies armed police escalating nonviolent situations or inflicting willful and indiscriminate harm on people they were sworn to protect, period. The power divide between citizens and cops is too extreme to pretend otherwise.

I actually agree with this 100% and have never argued otherwise. I am not a police supporter in this situation at all. I’m 100% on the side of PEACEFUL protesters. I’m 100% against violent rioting and looting. This has been my position the entire time. If you think I feel differently or have supported the cops at all in this situation you are wrong.

PHATJ · Post by **PHATJ** » Sun May 31, 2020 6:09 pm

verb_to_trust wrote:
Strat wrote:Wait did phatj just say that Chauvin was arrested because of trump?

Holy fuck I give up.

Seacrest out.
Trump is the only one who did something: he tweeted about it!

I never said that.

Post by **Mickey** » Sun May 31, 2020 6:10 pm

cutuphalfdead wrote:
Mickey wrote:I'm going to dip, I think this has played itself out and it feels wrong to keep kicking Josh when it sounds like he's having a rough go of it. I'll only note one final thing: individual misfortune does not in some way disprove systemic inequality. I hope you don't lose your house, Josh. I also know that home ownership is not a reality for the majority of black families, that there's a 30% gap in home ownership between black and white families and that the post civil rights gains in black homeownership were wiped out by the 2007 financial crisis created by GOP policy (and, it should be noted, worsened by Obama's bank-friendly recovery). And there's no way to talk about the destruction of big corporate chains in black neighborhoods without talking about the erosion of black communities by way of this housing crisis from which brands like Target emerged unscathed. So when we talk about a "great economy," we always have to ask, for who, and that question cannot be answered by reflexively pointing to the most recent news item (the mayor is A DEM!) but by a longer and more nuanced causal analysis capable of at least gesturing to the textured complexity of the world.
for whom

Goddamn you Petern

Norah · Post by **Norah** » Sun May 31, 2020 6:11 pm

Mickey wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Mickey wrote:I'm going to dip, I think this has played itself out and it feels wrong to keep kicking Josh when it sounds like he's having a rough go of it. I'll only note one final thing: individual misfortune does not in some way disprove systemic inequality. I hope you don't lose your house, Josh. I also know that home ownership is not a reality for the majority of black families, that there's a 30% gap in home ownership between black and white families and that the post civil rights gains in black homeownership were wiped out by the 2007 financial crisis created by GOP policy (and, it should be noted, worsened by Obama's bank-friendly recovery). And there's no way to talk about the destruction of big corporate chains in black neighborhoods without talking about the erosion of black communities by way of this housing crisis from which brands like Target emerged unscathed. So when we talk about a "great economy," we always have to ask, for who, and that question cannot be answered by reflexively pointing to the most recent news item (the mayor is A DEM!) but by a longer and more nuanced causal analysis capable of at least gesturing to the textured complexity of the world.
for whom
Goddamn you Petern

love you bro

Simple Torture · Post by **Simple Torture** » Sun May 31, 2020 6:11 pm

cutuphalfdead wrote:
Mickey wrote:I'm going to dip, I think this has played itself out and it feels wrong to keep kicking Josh when it sounds like he's having a rough go of it. I'll only note one final thing: individual misfortune does not in some way disprove systemic inequality. I hope you don't lose your house, Josh. I also know that home ownership is not a reality for the majority of black families, that there's a 30% gap in home ownership between black and white families and that the post civil rights gains in black homeownership were wiped out by the 2007 financial crisis created by GOP policy (and, it should be noted, worsened by Obama's bank-friendly recovery). And there's no way to talk about the destruction of big corporate chains in black neighborhoods without talking about the erosion of black communities by way of this housing crisis from which brands like Target emerged unscathed. So when we talk about a "great economy," we always have to ask, for who, and that question cannot be answered by reflexively pointing to the most recent news item (the mayor is A DEM!) but by a longer and more nuanced causal analysis capable of at least gesturing to the textured complexity of the world.
for whom

I 110% support this post.

Superblood Wolfmoon · Post by **Superblood Wolfmoon** » Sun May 31, 2020 6:35 pm

Mickey wrote:A few more horrifying videos from yesterday. Px posted the last one of these in the gun thread but it merits revisiting. "Light em up" makes me absolutely sick.

So glad we have patriots with assault rifles ready to protect us from the ever-expanding police state!

McParadigm · Post by **McParadigm** » Sun May 31, 2020 6:44 pm

God, imagine how it would have gone if cops had driven police cruisers directly into that line of raging anti-lockdown machine gun-wavers.

McParadigm · Post by **McParadigm** » Sun May 31, 2020 6:46 pm

Life is so joyless and awful right now that I saw a picture of a building with the words SAMPLE TEXT spray painted on it, and didn’t even bother to bring it here.

knee tunes · Post by **knee tunes** » Sun May 31, 2020 6:55 pm

McParadigm wrote:God, imagine how it would have gone if cops had driven police cruisers directly into that line of raging anti-lockdown machine gun-wavers.

Wow hadn't thought of this, you're right

McParadigm · Post by **McParadigm** » Sun May 31, 2020 7:07 pm

Jammer XCI · Post by **Jammer XCI** » Sun May 31, 2020 7:10 pm

McParadigm · Post by **McParadigm** » Sun May 31, 2020 7:11 pm

That is incredible.

Post by **macphisto** » Sun May 31, 2020 7:12 pm

dimejinky99 wrote:Ps from the outside looking in, it seems like the police are the real problem here not the protesters.
It looks like an order has been issued nationwide and the officers on the street are enforcing it with everything they have.
And the order doesn’t at all seem to be ‘keep the peace’ or ‘protect and serve’

Quite the opposite.

There’s no peace to be kept in a full scale riot; they can only attempt to restore order by force. They finally accomplished that last night in Minneapolis after three nights of looting and arson resulting in damages that will probably total over $100M.

Whether it was a conscious decision to let protestors do their thing or a combination of incompetence and a lack of resources, there was minimal police response for days, and the result was total bedlam. With mounting pressure on the Governor and mayors to do something, they finally did. Yes, it got ugly at times and there was some collateral damage, but what was the alternative? Just let the entire city be burned to the ground?

Post by **pepperwhiteMFC** » Sun May 31, 2020 7:29 pm

The alternative would have been to swiftly arrest the officers that murdered George Floyd.

Superblood Wolfmoon · Post by **Superblood Wolfmoon** » Sun May 31, 2020 7:30 pm

pepperwhiteMFC wrote:The alternative would have been to swiftly arrest the officers that murdered George Floyd.

elliseamos · Post by **elliseamos** » Sun May 31, 2020 7:43 pm

Superblood Wolfmoon wrote:
pepperwhiteMFC wrote:The alternative would have been to swiftly arrest the officers that murdered George Floyd.

Post by **macphisto** » Sun May 31, 2020 7:44 pm

pepperwhiteMFC wrote:The alternative would have been to swiftly arrest the officers that murdered George Floyd.

Chauvin was arrested and charged Friday, and Minneapolis still burned that night. More charges are likely coming. Justice is a process and it takes time. Had the four officers been bound and released to the mob to be beaten, tortured, and killed, I’m not convinced that would have satisfied them.

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