Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

[epilogue]

It's interesting that in the broad spectrum of black voices in publishing or media, tree_ most likes the voice that NO black organization has endorsed and who has a message that, "white people are doing just fine, nothing to see here."

Because their messages are about getting over the whole race thing and not dwelling on it and navel gazing to the point of absurdity.

I'm not interesting it "getting over the whole race thing." And I'm not interested in anyone who is interested in that kind nonsense.

You want an example of systematic racism? Read your quote above. You literally just posted a great example of it.

What I mean is that I want race to not be a factor. And it doesn't have to be. In my mind, believe it or not, I think of all humans as inherently equal, no matter what race or gender etc. Yes I know the "I don't see color" trope has somehow become a taboo. But my god isn't that the right goal?

Equality is the goal, not color blindness. Erasing race, gender, orientation, and cultural difference is antithetical to the goal.

[epilogue]

My favorite part of this was when he pointed out that wealth gaps exist among almost every “out“ group...as part of an argument that we’ve achieved nominal societal equality?

Prove it though

I don't think perfectly equal outcomes in every field between every group should be expected because of many factors. To assume it's racism or sexism or whatever without proof is jumping to conclusions.

No one is making assumptions. These things are facts. Just because you refuse to believe them does not keep them from being facts.

[tree_]

It's interesting that in the broad spectrum of black voices in publishing or media, tree_ most likes the voice that NO black organization has endorsed and who has a message that, "white people are doing just fine, nothing to see here."

Because their messages are about getting over the whole race thing and not dwelling on it and navel gazing to the point of absurdity.

I'm not interesting it "getting over the whole race thing." And I'm not interested in anyone who is interested in that kind nonsense.

You want an example of systematic racism? Read your quote above. You literally just posted a great example of it.

What I mean is that I want race to not be a factor. And it doesn't have to be. In my mind, believe it or not, I think of all humans as inherently equal, no matter what race or gender etc. Yes I know the "I don't see color" trope has somehow become a taboo. But my god isn't that the right goal?

Equality is the goal, not color blindness. Erasing race, gender, orientation, and cultural difference is antithetical to the goal.

Sounds good to me. Should be like hair color. How often do you think about the color of someone's hair? Or someone's height or weight? That's how race and culture is to me, to be clear.

[tree_]

My favorite part of this was when he pointed out that wealth gaps exist among almost every “out“ group...as part of an argument that we’ve achieved nominal societal equality?

Prove it though

I don't think perfectly equal outcomes in every field between every group should be expected because of many factors. To assume it's racism or sexism or whatever without proof is jumping to conclusions.

No one is making assumptions. These things are facts. Just because you refuse to believe them does not keep them from being facts.

No. I see the fact that there is a wage gap between groups. I don't see proof of why it exists.

[digster]

So step up to the plate and offer an alternative. Why is there such a huge wealth gap between black and white Americans, including between black Americans w/ college degrees and white Americans w/o one?

[epilogue]

It's interesting that in the broad spectrum of black voices in publishing or media, tree_ most likes the voice that NO black organization has endorsed and who has a message that, "white people are doing just fine, nothing to see here."

Because their messages are about getting over the whole race thing and not dwelling on it and navel gazing to the point of absurdity.

I'm not interesting it "getting over the whole race thing." And I'm not interested in anyone who is interested in that kind nonsense.

You want an example of systematic racism? Read your quote above. You literally just posted a great example of it.

What I mean is that I want race to not be a factor. And it doesn't have to be. In my mind, believe it or not, I think of all humans as inherently equal, no matter what race or gender etc. Yes I know the "I don't see color" trope has somehow become a taboo. But my god isn't that the right goal?

Equality is the goal, not color blindness. Erasing race, gender, orientation, and cultural difference is antithetical to the goal.

Sounds good to me. Should be like hair color. How often do you think about the color of someone's hair? Or someone's height or weight? That's how race and culture is to me, to be clear.

And that is part of the systematic problem, just to be clear. Again, as you've shown time and time again, you have your belief system. Fine. It's disgusting and ignorant and flat wrong but whatever. No one here will change your mind. You don't your mind changed.

So, how about you make a new thread, call it "Tree Maybe Wants to Talk About Racism in the US" and leave this thread alone. Let this thread stay on topic. Let this thread be about Black Lives Matter.

We'd all appreciate it.

[wease]

I can't believe some of you are STILL getting trolled by the tree account.

Maybe some of us don't mind? Pretty obvious what he's been doing.

I think tree just reminds me of some friends who have undergone a similar thing. It could be scripted out pretty much to the word; someone says that they've seen the light, and transcended party or partisanship, and look down on the lefty sheeple! who are extremely close-minded. We just need to have more of an open mind, and when they start talking, it's basically a Ben Shapiro transcript.

It's not the adherence to a certain way of thinking that's fascinating; it's more than, almost without fail, there's this completely lack of awareness that they've traded one set of talking points for another.

Nah. But I like that you're kind enough to give him that much credit. Tree isn't interested in these ideas. He's only interested in co-opting a thread and making it about himself. He know exactly what he's doing and he's really fucking good at it.

Then fucking get rid of him!!!!!

[Rob]

So, how about you make a new thread, call it "Tree Maybe Wants to Talk About Racism in the US" and leave this thread alone. Let this thread stay on topic. Let this thread be about Black Lives Matter.

We'd all appreciate it.

This is a good idea.

[tree_]

So step up to the plate and offer an alternative. Why is there such a huge wealth gap between black and white Americans, including between black Americans w/ college degrees and white Americans w/o one?

I don't know the answer to that.

[tree_]

It's interesting that in the broad spectrum of black voices in publishing or media, tree_ most likes the voice that NO black organization has endorsed and who has a message that, "white people are doing just fine, nothing to see here."

Because their messages are about getting over the whole race thing and not dwelling on it and navel gazing to the point of absurdity.

I'm not interesting it "getting over the whole race thing." And I'm not interested in anyone who is interested in that kind nonsense.

You want an example of systematic racism? Read your quote above. You literally just posted a great example of it.

What I mean is that I want race to not be a factor. And it doesn't have to be. In my mind, believe it or not, I think of all humans as inherently equal, no matter what race or gender etc. Yes I know the "I don't see color" trope has somehow become a taboo. But my god isn't that the right goal?

Equality is the goal, not color blindness. Erasing race, gender, orientation, and cultural difference is antithetical to the goal.

Sounds good to me. Should be like hair color. How often do you think about the color of someone's hair? Or someone's height or weight? That's how race and culture is to me, to be clear.

And that is part of the systematic problem, just to be clear. Again, as you've shown time and time again, you have your belief system. Fine. It's disgusting and ignorant and flat wrong but whatever. No one here will change your mind. You don't your mind changed.

So, how about you make a new thread, call it "Tree Maybe Wants to Talk About Racism in the US" and leave this thread alone. Let this thread stay on topic. Let this thread be about Black Lives Matter.

We'd all appreciate it.

Please tell me how thinking of every skin color inherently equal is "disgusting and ignorant and flat wrong". I thought this was actually the goal for humanity. To love their neighbor as themselves. I'm not saying whites are better or more important than blacks or any other race. That would actually be racism.

[epilogue]

It's interesting that in the broad spectrum of black voices in publishing or media, tree_ most likes the voice that NO black organization has endorsed and who has a message that, "white people are doing just fine, nothing to see here."

Because their messages are about getting over the whole race thing and not dwelling on it and navel gazing to the point of absurdity.

I'm not interesting it "getting over the whole race thing." And I'm not interested in anyone who is interested in that kind nonsense.

You want an example of systematic racism? Read your quote above. You literally just posted a great example of it.

What I mean is that I want race to not be a factor. And it doesn't have to be. In my mind, believe it or not, I think of all humans as inherently equal, no matter what race or gender etc. Yes I know the "I don't see color" trope has somehow become a taboo. But my god isn't that the right goal?

Equality is the goal, not color blindness. Erasing race, gender, orientation, and cultural difference is antithetical to the goal.

Sounds good to me. Should be like hair color. How often do you think about the color of someone's hair? Or someone's height or weight? That's how race and culture is to me, to be clear.

And that is part of the systematic problem, just to be clear. Again, as you've shown time and time again, you have your belief system. Fine. It's disgusting and ignorant and flat wrong but whatever. No one here will change your mind. You don't your mind changed.

So, how about you make a new thread, call it "Tree Maybe Wants to Talk About Racism in the US" and leave this thread alone. Let this thread stay on topic. Let this thread be about Black Lives Matter.

We'd all appreciate it.

Please tell me how thinking of every skin color inherently equal is "disgusting and ignorant and flat wrong". I thought this was actually the goal for humanity. To love their neighbor as themselves. I'm not saying whites are better or more important than blacks or any other race. That would actually be racism.

"Color blindness" is racism.

[epilogue]

You gonna start that new thread or what, tree?

[tree_]

It's interesting that in the broad spectrum of black voices in publishing or media, tree_ most likes the voice that NO black organization has endorsed and who has a message that, "white people are doing just fine, nothing to see here."

Because their messages are about getting over the whole race thing and not dwelling on it and navel gazing to the point of absurdity.

I'm not interesting it "getting over the whole race thing." And I'm not interested in anyone who is interested in that kind nonsense.

You want an example of systematic racism? Read your quote above. You literally just posted a great example of it.

What I mean is that I want race to not be a factor. And it doesn't have to be. In my mind, believe it or not, I think of all humans as inherently equal, no matter what race or gender etc. Yes I know the "I don't see color" trope has somehow become a taboo. But my god isn't that the right goal?

Equality is the goal, not color blindness. Erasing race, gender, orientation, and cultural difference is antithetical to the goal.

Sounds good to me. Should be like hair color. How often do you think about the color of someone's hair? Or someone's height or weight? That's how race and culture is to me, to be clear.

And that is part of the systematic problem, just to be clear. Again, as you've shown time and time again, you have your belief system. Fine. It's disgusting and ignorant and flat wrong but whatever. No one here will change your mind. You don't your mind changed.

So, how about you make a new thread, call it "Tree Maybe Wants to Talk About Racism in the US" and leave this thread alone. Let this thread stay on topic. Let this thread be about Black Lives Matter.

We'd all appreciate it.

Please tell me how thinking of every skin color inherently equal is "disgusting and ignorant and flat wrong". I thought this was actually the goal for humanity. To love their neighbor as themselves. I'm not saying whites are better or more important than blacks or any other race. That would actually be racism.

"Color blindness" is racism.

I told you what I meant by that, and I know that's become a taboo trope. I told you that I actually do see someone's skin color in the same way I see the color of their hair, etc. Do you really believe that's disgusting of me? It's not like I think lesser of any race.

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You gonna start that new thread or what, tree?

[tree_]

You gonna start that new thread or what, tree?

I believe what we are discussing is relevant to this thread. If you want to start it and move stuff over there, that's your prerogative.

[epilogue]

Carry on...

[digster]

So step up to the plate and offer an alternative. Why is there such a huge wealth gap between black and white Americans, including between black Americans w/ college degrees and white Americans w/o one?

I don't know the answer to that.

Your accusations that people here are close-minded for positing that it's because of systemic racism rings a little hollow when you can't offer up one alternative explanation. I'd say maybe find one before calling people here sheep for believing they know the cause.

[McParadigm]

So step up to the plate and offer an alternative. Why is there such a huge wealth gap between black and white Americans, including between black Americans w/ college degrees and white Americans w/o one?

I don't know the answer to that.

Do you know why correcting (or even over-correcting) for income level still leaves a tremendous incarceration rate difference?

Darrick Hamilton and his colleagues, Khaing Zaw and William Darity of Duke University, examined data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth, a national study that began in 1979 and followed a group of young people into adulthood and middle age. The participants were asked about their assets and debts, and interviewers also noted their type of residence, including whether they were in a jail or prison.

About 2.7 percent of the poorest white young people — those whose household wealth was in the poorest 10th of the distribution in 1985, when they were between 20 and 28 years old — ultimately went to prison. In the next 10th, 3.1 percent ultimately went to prison.

About 10 percent of affluent black youths in 1985 would eventually go to prison. Only the very wealthiest black youth had a better chance of avoiding prison than the poorest white youth. Among black young people in this group, 2.4 percent were incarcerated.

[tree_]

So step up to the plate and offer an alternative. Why is there such a huge wealth gap between black and white Americans, including between black Americans w/ college degrees and white Americans w/o one?

I don't know the answer to that.

Your accusations that people here are close-minded for positing that it's because of systemic racism rings a little hollow when you can't offer up one alternative explanation. I'd say maybe find one before calling people here sheep for believing they know the cause.

It is not a prerequisite to believe in a god in order to truthfully claim to not have proof for other gods. Again, I'm open to proof and have not done complete due diligence yet.

[Mickey]

This being its own thread is somehow worse than the thread it was leading off topic, honestly impressive.