Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

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Why do you have such a hard time using posters' actual usernames? Why do you feel the need to misspell or alter them?

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Getting criticized for what you say doesn't have anything to do with losing your speech.

of course not but weeze wants me to be banned and silenced because according to him I'm some kind of racist troll

Prove that you’re not. Evidence already exists that you’re both and you’ve offered nothing to refute that evidence.

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Getting criticized for what you say doesn't have anything to do with losing your speech.

of course not but weeze wants me to be banned and silenced because according to him I'm some kind of racist troll

Prove that you’re not. Evidence already exists that you’re both and you’ve offered nothing to refute that evidence.

can you prove that you're not a serial killer? You have no evidence of me being a racist troll

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Why do you have such a hard time using posters' actual usernames? Why do you feel the need to misspell or alter them?

He thinks it bothers us. In reality it just makes him look more stupid. PHATJ did it the other night, too.

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Getting criticized for what you say doesn't have anything to do with losing your speech.

of course not but weeze wants me to be banned and silenced because according to him I'm some kind of racist troll

Prove that you’re not. Evidence already exists that you’re both and you’ve offered nothing to refute that evidence.

can you prove that you're not a serial killer? You have no evidence of me being a racist troll

You’ve provided all of it thru your posts.

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Why do you have such a hard time using posters' actual usernames? Why do you feel the need to misspell or alter them?

when posting on my phone it's hard to spell correctly sometimes especially when speak texting

[B]

Damn, durds. That was some impressive modding.

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OK...

So, I see the statistics. It is true that outcomes between blacks and whites are not equal. But it seems to be true that the system provides an equal opportunity for everyone to pursue their goals. Given the circumstances you are born with, you are indeed provided with a unique set of hurdles. A person born into poverty, in a high-crime neighborhood, without a father has a more difficult time. Here's something to consider:

64% of all black families live in single-parent households, compared to 40% of Hispanics, 30% of whites, and 17% of Asians. Even more surprising is how the poverty rate for two-parent black households is only 7.5%, which is under the American average of 10.6%. Two-parent black households have a significantly lower poverty rate than white single-mother households, which sits at 25.4%.

I think that these facts show that an individual’s likelihood of poverty can be determined not by skin color but by personal responsibility and decisions. The difference between two-parent black families and single-parent black families is proof of that. We should be talking about culture, the importance of the family unit, not race.

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OK...

So, I see the statistics. It is true that outcomes between blacks and whites are not equal. But it seems to be true that the system provides an equal opportunity for everyone to pursue their goals. Given the circumstances you are born with, you are indeed provided with a unique set of hurdles. A person born into poverty, in a high-crime neighborhood, without a father has a more difficult time. Here's something to consider:

64% of all black families live in single-parent households, compared to 40% of Hispanics, 30% of whites, and 17% of Asians. Even more surprising is how the poverty rate for two-parent black households is only 7.5%, which is under the American average of 10.6%. Two-parent black households have a significantly lower poverty rate than white single-mother households, which sits at 25.4%.

I think that these facts show that an individual’s likelihood of poverty can be determined not by skin color but by personal responsibility and decisions. The difference between two-parent black families and single-parent black families is proof of that. We should be talking about culture, the importance of the family unit, not race.

[McParadigm]

OK...

So, I see the statistics. It is true that outcomes between blacks and whites are not equal. But it seems to be true that the system provides an equal opportunity for everyone to pursue their goals. Given the circumstances you are born with, you are indeed provided with a unique set of hurdles. A person born into poverty, in a high-crime neighborhood, without a father has a more difficult time. Here's something to consider:

64% of all black families live in single-parent households, compared to 40% of Hispanics, 30% of whites, and 17% of Asians. Even more surprising is how the poverty rate for two-parent black households is only 7.5%, which is under the American average of 10.6%. Two-parent black households have a significantly lower poverty rate than white single-mother households, which sits at 25.4%.

I think that these facts show that an individual’s likelihood of poverty can be determined not by skin color but by personal responsibility and decisions. The difference between two-parent black families and single-parent black families is proof of that. We should be talking about culture, the importance of the family unit, not race.

More than 50% of poor white kids live in single family homes, and yet while 42% of black children born into poverty remain there into and throughout adulthood, only 17% of white children born into poverty do the same.

Similarly, white kids born into wealth are five times more likely to remain wealthy their whole lives than they are to fall into poverty, but black children born into wealth have a nearly 40% chance that they will fall into poverty during their lifetimes.

Also, this from earlier

Darrick Hamilton and his colleagues, Khaing Zaw and William Darity of Duke University, examined data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth, a national study that began in 1979 and followed a group of young people into adulthood and middle age. The participants were asked about their assets and debts, and interviewers also noted their type of residence, including whether they were in a jail or prison.

About 2.7 percent of the poorest white young people — those whose household wealth was in the poorest 10th of the distribution in 1985, when they were between 20 and 28 years old — ultimately went to prison. In the next 10th, 3.1 percent ultimately went to prison.

About 10 percent of affluent black youths in 1985 would eventually go to prison. Only the very wealthiest black youth had a better chance of avoiding prison than the poorest white youth. Among black young people in this group, 2.4 percent were incarcerated.

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Why jump to the conclusion that systemic racism/skin color is the culprit? Couldn't it be fairly assumed that if you swap skin colors the results would be the same, given the cultures of the residents' neighborhoods were the same? If I were born into a crime family, it'd be fair to assume I'd be heavily influenced by crime culture no matter my skin color or wealth.

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From two days ago:

The problem with this question is that there are so many examples, many of which are easily apparent, that you really don't know where to start. Here's two you can answer.

- Black Americans own about one tenth the wealth of white Americans. Even college degrees don't close that gap; median wealth for black households with a college degree is about 70% of white Americans without a college degree. Why do you think these gaps exist?

- According to the Department of Justice, in 2018, the imprisonment rate of black males was 5.8 times that of white males, while the
imprisonment rate of black females was 1.8 times the rate of white females. Why do you think that is?

Josh and macphisto would say because of single-parent households.

[Rob]

Why jump to the conclusion that systemic racism/skin color is the culprit? Couldn't it be fairly assumed that if you swap skin colors the results would be the same, given the cultures of the residents' neighborhoods were the same? If I were born into a crime family, it'd be fair to assume I'd be heavily influenced by crime culture no matter the skin color.

Well, I guess if I only listened to people who think that racism is solved, I'd believe it too.

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Why jump to the conclusion that systemic racism/skin color is the culprit? Couldn't it be fairly assumed that if you swap skin colors the results would be the same, given the cultures of the residents' neighborhoods were the same? If I were born into a crime family, it'd be fair to assume I'd be heavily influenced by crime culture no matter the skin color.

Well, I guess if I only listened to people who think that racism is solved, I'd believe it too.

I'm talking about "systemic racism". Racism will always be a thing. There will always be crazy assholes in the world.

[Rob]

So just add the word "systemic" to my post then.

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From two days ago:

The problem with this question is that there are so many examples, many of which are easily apparent, that you really don't know where to start. Here's two you can answer.

- Black Americans own about one tenth the wealth of white Americans. Even college degrees don't close that gap; median wealth for black households with a college degree is about 70% of white Americans without a college degree. Why do you think these gaps exist?

- According to the Department of Justice, in 2018, the imprisonment rate of black males was 5.8 times that of white males, while the
imprisonment rate of black females was 1.8 times the rate of white females. Why do you think that is?

Josh and macphisto would say because of single-parent households.

It appears to be true, according to stats. The next question would be "why are there so many single-parent households in black culture?" There is no proof that I have seen of systemic racism being the culprit.

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You've been constantly telling us how 'open-minded' you are about all of this. Does it make you question your biases when another poster called exactly how this data would be read within a minute of me posting it?

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You've been constantly telling us how 'open-minded' you are about all of this. Does it make you question your biases when another poster called exactly how this data would be read within a minute of me posting it?

Again, I'm open to actual proof. Haven't seen it yet. What I said was predictable because that's where the stats lead. We can talk about why so many black families are single-parent. I see no proof it's because of systemic racism.

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The reason Mickey was able to call that so easily was because it's nothing new. It's the same talking point that's been repeated ad nauseam for years, if not decades.

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The reason Mickey was able to call that so easily was because it's nothing new. It's the same talking point that's been repeated ad nauseam for years, if not decades.

Does it make it any less true?