Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

[E.H. Ruddock]

If an entire race feels as though they are being kept from moving ahead in all aspects of life because of how the system currently is, isn't that enough proof? Or tree_, do you think that an entire race of people are just wrong about it? It should be noted, that entire race has a history of nothing but being told they aren't equal up until the 1960's, and even that is not even really true.

Tree did you ever respond to this? If so, please point me in the right direction, sorry if I missed it.

I know for a fact that not everyone with dark skin feels the same way about anything. John McWhorter, Coleman Hughes, and Glenn Loury are three I can list off the top of my head that feel as though the system isn't so oppressive and people have exaggerated perspectives on it, which they say can actually be harmful for their race. Yes, there was extreme oppression in history. I'm talking about today.

So am I. And you are pointing out the exception not the rule. I'm sure a large majority of black people don't feel the way they do. But keep cherry picking to prove your point. It just shows you DO know what you are doing and are not actually open minded

Again, you're reading into what I'm saying and not actually listening to what I have said. I was replying to what you just said. I don't know what to believe on the subject. I don't know what most black people think or how they feel. I live in a tiny bubble. All of this might as well be happening on Mars. My intentions are good. I wish nobody harm. I want to figure this out as best I can.

In a USA today poll two days ago, 84% of black people say they face a great deal of discrimination. Can't get more current than that. But you don't want to believe black people when they are straight up telling you that racism exists, so I'm not sure you are capable of understanding, that is if you aren't trolling

[tree_]

If an entire race feels as though they are being kept from moving ahead in all aspects of life because of how the system currently is, isn't that enough proof? Or tree_, do you think that an entire race of people are just wrong about it? It should be noted, that entire race has a history of nothing but being told they aren't equal up until the 1960's, and even that is not even really true.

Tree did you ever respond to this? If so, please point me in the right direction, sorry if I missed it.

I know for a fact that not everyone with dark skin feels the same way about anything. John McWhorter, Coleman Hughes, and Glenn Loury are three I can list off the top of my head that feel as though the system isn't so oppressive and people have exaggerated perspectives on it, which they say can actually be harmful for their race. Yes, there was extreme oppression in history. I'm talking about today.

So am I. And you are pointing out the exception not the rule. I'm sure a large majority of black people don't feel the way they do. But keep cherry picking to prove your point. It just shows you DO know what you are doing and are not actually open minded

Again, you're reading into what I'm saying and not actually listening to what I have said. I was replying to what you just said. I don't know what to believe on the subject. I don't know what most black people think or how they feel. I live in a tiny bubble. All of this might as well be happening on Mars. My intentions are good. I wish nobody harm. I want to figure this out as best I can.

In a USA today poll two days ago, 84% of black people say they face a great deal of discrimination. Can't get more current than that. But you don't want to believe black people when they are straight up telling you that racism exists, so I'm not sure you are capable of understanding, that is if you aren't trolling

That is interesting. I heard about a recent poll where most black people say they don't feel racism in their daily lives. Not sure where that came from or the details... will look later.. gotta go home now. If that's true then yes, I take their words for it. And also, I never said I don't think racism exists. I was talking about systemic racism.

[epilogue]

Tree, give us your definitions for "racism" and "systemic racism" please.

Surely that will be a good start to clearing this up and moving forward with everyone on the same page.

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Tree's a piece of shit who rats on his co-workers. It never occurred to him that when asked to write a formal witness report, he could have just said "you know, I think he might have been sleeping, but I'm not confident enough in that judgment to put it in writing and sign my name to it."

You say this like it's something I do on a regular basis. This is something I've thought about and wonder if I could go back if I would do the same thing. I think I do regret writing it. Not because he's black, though. Skin color has nothing to do with it. I was swept away by the chief of security giving me an order. I have a good job and wanted to remain in good standing. I probably should have stood up to him and said no. Have you ever done something you question, chud? Perhaps driving into someone's house?

To be honest, I think the ratting on your coworker thing makes you a shithead more than it makes you a racist. And in fairness, I'm glad to hear you have some regret. Usually when it's brought up you defend it like you had no other choice, when you absolutely did.

I defend not being a racist. Race had nothing to do with it.

For the sake of argument, I'm going to say I believe you when you say it didn't. But the fact that he is indeed black and you ratted him out while laughing about breaking other work rules while being white is the perfect example of systemic racism everyone else in this thread understands. You're given the benefit of the doubt and flaunt rules because, as a white guy, you understand that while something may be said, you won't really get in trouble for it. Your co-worker, since he is black, got fired for doing something you, yourself, have admitted to doing. He is black, you are white. He got fired, you did not.

[wease]

this is like some CBT video and all of you enjoy slamming your nuts in the car door only to open it and do it again and again and again

Insert Godfather III gif, here

[wease]

If an entire race feels as though they are being kept from moving ahead in all aspects of life because of how the system currently is, isn't that enough proof? Or tree_, do you think that an entire race of people are just wrong about it? It should be noted, that entire race has a history of nothing but being told they aren't equal up until the 1960's, and even that is not even really true.

Tree did you ever respond to this? If so, please point me in the right direction, sorry if I missed it.

I know for a fact that not everyone with dark skin feels the same way about anything. John McWhorter, Coleman Hughes, and Glenn Loury are three I can list off the top of my head that feel as though the system isn't so oppressive and people have exaggerated perspectives on it, which they say can actually be harmful for their race. Yes, there was extreme oppression in history. I'm talking about today.

So am I. And you are pointing out the exception not the rule. I'm sure a large majority of black people don't feel the way they do. But keep cherry picking to prove your point. It just shows you DO know what you are doing and are not actually open minded

Again, you're reading into what I'm saying and not actually listening to what I have said. I was replying to what you just said. I don't know what to believe on the subject. I don't know what most black people think or how they feel. I live in a tiny bubble. All of this might as well be happening on Mars. My intentions are good. I wish nobody harm. I want to figure this out as best I can.

In a USA today poll two days ago, 84% of black people say they face a great deal of discrimination. Can't get more current than that. But you don't want to believe black people when they are straight up telling you that racism exists, so I'm not sure you are capable of understanding, that is if you aren't trolling

OF COURSE HE'S TROLLING!!!!!

[epilogue]

You're given the benefit of the doubt and flaunt rules because, as a white guy, you understand that while something may be said, you won't really get in trouble for it. Your co-worker, since he is black, got fired for doing something you, yourself, have admitted to doing.

He'll, of course, try to talk his way out of it instead of taking your point and trying to understand it. But this is about as simple and straight forward as it gets. Well said.

[wease]

You're given the benefit of the doubt and flaunt rules because, as a white guy, you understand that while something may be said, you won't really get in trouble for it. Your co-worker, since he is black, got fired for doing something you, yourself, have admitted to doing.

He'll, of course, try to talk his way out of it instead of taking your point and trying to understand it. But this is about as simple and straight forward as it gets. Well said.

Thank you. And I know the troll master will do exactly as you say. I don't really know why I even said. He's just trolling everything in this thread.

[epilogue]

You're given the benefit of the doubt and flaunt rules because, as a white guy, you understand that while something may be said, you won't really get in trouble for it. Your co-worker, since he is black, got fired for doing something you, yourself, have admitted to doing.

He'll, of course, try to talk his way out of it instead of taking your point and trying to understand it. But this is about as simple and straight forward as it gets. Well said.

Thank you. And I know the troll master will do exactly as you say. I don't really know why I even said. He's just trolling everything in this thread.

You know, I still think it's important to say. Calling out racism where it exists is valid. On the off-chance that he really needs to hear it, I'm glad you said it. There's always that slim chance it sinks in and makes a difference.

[tree_]

You're given the benefit of the doubt and flaunt rules because, as a white guy, you understand that while something may be said, you won't really get in trouble for it. Your co-worker, since he is black, got fired for doing something you, yourself, have admitted to doing.

He'll, of course, try to talk his way out of it instead of taking your point and trying to understand it. But this is about as simple and straight forward as it gets. Well said.

White people get in trouble at my work everyday. The only reason he got in trouble and I didn't was he got caught not because he was black. if anybody sleeps out in the open for all to see they will get in trouble this is an understood rule no matter what race you are. And virtually everybody surf the Internet who has computer at work

[wease]

You're given the benefit of the doubt and flaunt rules because, as a white guy, you understand that while something may be said, you won't really get in trouble for it. Your co-worker, since he is black, got fired for doing something you, yourself, have admitted to doing.

He'll, of course, try to talk his way out of it instead of taking your point and trying to understand it. But this is about as simple and straight forward as it gets. Well said.

White people get in trouble at my work everyday. The only reason he got in trouble and I didn't was he got caught not because he was black. if anybody sleeps out in the open for all to see they will get in trouble this isn't understood rule no matter what race you are. In virtually everybody surf the Internet who has computer at work

Case. Rested.

[tree_]

If you sleep out in the open for all to see you will get in trouble. White black doesn't matter

[tree_]

Saying that he specifically should not have gotten in trouble because of his skin color is what you call the soft bigotry of low expectations

[Norah]

Tree's a tout.

[wease]

Tree's a tout.

VERY nice usage. Bravo, friend Pete. Bravo.

[tree_]

If for instance he and I both got caught sleeping but he got in trouble and I didn't considering all else being equal besides him being black and me being white that would be racism

[Chris_H_2]

hey guys. so this is my first foray into the n&d subforum in a couple of days. without sifting through so many pages, what's this thread all about?

[Norah]

I just think you're a shithead for filling out the report when you absolutely didn't need to.

[tree_]

I just think you're a shithead for filling out the report when you absolutely didn't need to.

I told you I have questions about it and probably wouldn't do the same thing if I had another chance. you think you would have found yourself driving into somebody's house if given another chance?

[Norah]

I just think you're a shithead for filling out the report when you absolutely didn't need to.

I told you I have questions about it and probably wouldn't do the same thing if I had another chance. you think you would have found yourself driving into somebody's house if given another chance?

I'm glad you see the error of your ways. It's the first step towards redemption.