Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

[McParadigm]

Hi, Burt, it sounds like maybe you don’t know how to interpret graphed data. So instead I will refer to the questions in the questionnaire that produced the data, and you can determine for yourself if they indicate white self-hatred. And then we can determine what your responses indicate about you.

Do you agree or disagree:

Generations of slavery and discrimination have created conditions that make it difficult for blacks to work their way out of the lower class.

Over the past few years, blacks have gotten less than they deserve.

It's really a matter of some people not trying hard enough; if blacks would only try harder they could be just as well off as whites.

————

How often would you say that you have tender, concerned feelings for people from another
racial or ethnic group who are less fortunate than you?
__ Extremely often [1]
__ Very often [2]
__ Somewhat often [3]
__ Not too often [4] __ Not often at all [5]

————

Do you favor, oppose, or neither favor nor oppose allowing unauthorized immigrants currently living in the United States to remain in the country and eventually qualify for citizenship?
__ Favor a great deal [1]
__ Favor moderately [2]
__ Favor a little [3]
__ Neither favor nor oppose [4]
__ Oppose a little [5]
__ Oppose moderately [6]
__ Oppose a great deal [7]

[E.H. Ruddock]

It has come to my attention that at the beginning of these COVID times, I referred to the virus as the "Kung flu". I realize now that this is a racist term and I apologize if I offended anyone.

[Rob]

Jesus do they all have podcasts now?

You were a little too ahead of your time.

[BurtReynolds]

Jesus do they all have podcasts now?

You were a little too ahead of your time.

I watched one of his brother's episodes and it was just him blowing smoke up his boss's ass (Peter Thiel) for an hour so I bailed.

And Sam Harris is a boring logical positivist who has never said anything interesting.

[Self]

Sermon on the mount.

Spoiler: show

[tree_]

One of the reasons Sam Harris is interesting is all the conflict he gets for stating obvious truths. It says more about the state of society and discourse than him.

[Mickey]

Hi, Burt, it sounds like maybe you don’t know how to interpret graphed data.

Shocked. Shocked, I say!

[Bi_3]

Hi, Burt, it sounds like maybe you don’t know how to interpret graphed data.

Shocked. Shocked, I say!

I'm not clear where that graph came from other than I assume that shithole that is twitter, but it's probably the questions like those on page 11 and page 21, and not what McP posted.

https://electionstudies.org/wp-content/ ... nnaire.pdf

[B]

I was watching an interview with the Union President of the Chicago Police Department, and when he was asked about systemic racism, he said that it doesn't exist because there simply aren't any officers policing people differently based on race.

That is NOT what systemic racism is. That is just racism.

There's no such thing as a policy that says, "you have to be rougher with the darkies."

But "Broken Windows" and "Civil Forfeiture" are examples of policies that fall more aggressively on black communities than white communities.

Eric Garner wasn't killed because Dan Pantaleo hated black people. He was killed because NYC's policies whittled away at options for an ex-con in the black community and encouraged police to aggressively harass a bit criminal who wasn't appreciated by the white owners of condos across the street from his daily hangout.

[tree_]

Are the policies falling more heavily on black communities because they're black or because they're poor?

[Mickey]

I dunno man Dan Pantaleo from Staten Island might personally hate black people.

[tree_]

The Dallas police who killed Tony Timpa might've hated white people.

[tree_]

yeah

As Orwell illustrated in 1984, the power in compelling speech is that, in time, thought is compelled as well. Those who want to compel what you think, may well start by compelling what you say. This, in a nutshell, is the problem with compelled speech. If we are all required to shout and proclaim "hashtag black lives matter" at all times, meaning that we are constantly focused on race as THE explanatory factor in society, and similarly if we are told constantly that all divergent outcomes between men and women, in which women come out behind is due to sexism, we have arrived at compelled thought. Humans, I believe, have inherently scientific minds. Which means that we can propose multiple explanations for an observed phenomenon and try to distinguish between those explanations. All children do this. Many children have this intuitive scientific tinkering drove out of them in school and by authority figures of all kinds. Looking for what is actually going on takes time, it's messy, and it will offend many of those who have arrived at the conclusion that they, themselves like. They will try to stop the investigation. They may even try to tell you that it is racist to investigate. Compelled speech restricts scientific tendencies and so leads to compelled thought. If The Overton Window has shrunk so far that an observation of a pattern has only one allowable explanation then we have neither freedom of speech nor thought and we have abandoned science... We also have little chance of actually fixing the problem, unless the one officially sanctioned explanation happens to be fully explanatory for all observed patterns, in all cases. I can guarantee that racism is not the only explanation for racial disparities and health outcomes. I can also guarantee that racism is insufficiently precise to be actionable, and this in part is the goal of the activists.

[tree_]

Today's activism has created a Racism of the Gaps. Racism fills in as the go-to explanation when any other explanation isn't immediately obvious, and sometimes even when it is.

Racism of the Gaps is an allusion to the God of the Gaps argument where many people will say the explanation for some unknown phenomenon, "How did life start?" "Must be God." It's a bad argument, a filler. "Why is there disparity?" "Must be systemic racism. What else could it be?" So systemic racism is usually a way to say that complicating, unknown or inconvenient and suppressed reasons for differences in outcome must be racism in the vaguest sense. We see a difference, we don't need to find out real reasons, it must be racism. It's fraudulent and culty.

[epilogue]

I'm glad you finally have an opinion about this.

Now what would you like to discuss?

[B]

Are the policies falling more heavily on black communities because they're black or because they're poor?

Yes.

[bart]

I dunno, banana republic seems more racist to me

[Bi_3]

Today's activism has created a Racism of the Gaps. Racism fills in as the go-to explanation when any other explanation isn't immediately obvious, and sometimes even when it is.

Racism of the Gaps is an allusion to the God of the Gaps argument where many people will say the explanation for some unknown phenomenon, "How did life start?" "Must be God." It's a bad argument, a filler. "Why is there disparity?" "Must be systemic racism. What else could it be?" So systemic racism is usually a way to say that complicating, unknown or inconvenient and suppressed reasons for differences in outcome must be racism in the vaguest sense. We see a difference, we don't need to find out real reasons, it must be racism. It's fraudulent and culty.

This was the conclusion of the UMD study that showed statistically there is no racial bias in police shootings. They concluded it was instead structural racism without addressing any other potential contributing factors, though if "being poor" = "systemic racism" that would make sense.

[philpritchard]

Are the policies falling more heavily on black communities because they're black or because they're poor?

Why do more black communities struggle with poverty?

[tree_]

Are the policies falling more heavily on black communities because they're black or because they're poor?

Why do more black communities struggle with poverty?

It's complex and part of the answer definitely is racism. I'd argue mostly past racism and that we have been making progress. American Indians also struggle for similar reasons.