McParadigm wrote:Depends on how many of the 5 million people who stuck around as the NRA increased its dues by a third over the past few years were about to vote Biden.
Yeah, and regardless of the extent to which this is snark, there are some that probably have been thinking of voting Biden, as other more immediate concerns have taken over their lives. But I'd be shocked if it was even 25% of that 5M figure (which I'm just taking at face value).
You have to take the number at face value, because they adamantly refuse to demonstrate its accuracy.
I tend to think the remaining NRA members are the absolute stalwarts. I had no fewer than 4 dues-paying members in my family as late as Obama’s first term. I don’t believe that I have any now. It just seems (from apocryphal experience mixed with the last four years of headlines) like the organization’s reputation as the ACLU of gun rights deteriorated...especially among its core constituency...at the same time that they repeatedly hiked fees. The fact that this lawsuit is over misuse of funds isn’t going to help.
I also wonder to what extent the Clive Bundies of the world are now seen as the true flag-wavers of their ideals. Has the fight for 2A become as decentralized by the internet as basically everything else?
McParadigm wrote:Depends on how many of the 5 million people who stuck around as the NRA increased its dues by a third over the past few years were about to vote Biden.
Yeah, and regardless of the extent to which this is snark, there are some that probably have been thinking of voting Biden, as other more immediate concerns have taken over their lives. But I'd be shocked if it was even 25% of that 5M figure (which I'm just taking at face value).
You have to take the number at face value, because they adamantly refuse to demonstrate its accuracy.
I tend to think the remaining NRA members are the absolute stalwarts. I had no fewer than 4 dues-paying members in my family as late as Obama’s first term. I don’t believe that I have any now. It just seems (from apocryphal experience mixed with the last four years of headlines) like the organization’s reputation as the ACLU of gun rights deteriorated...especially among its core constituency...at the same time that they repeatedly hiked fees. The fact that this lawsuit is over misuse of funds isn’t going to help.
I'm looking at it more from the narrative that will be created that this is another step toward chipping away at gun rights. and if it happens on trump's watch, what does the prospect of a biden presidency look like? it's not the people who are currently members of the nra, but rather those that are one or two-issue voters that would've otherwise been apathetic come november and not voted now coming out in greater numbers.
Chris_H_2 wrote:So this New York AG's lawsuit against the NRA can't be good for democrats this election, right?
Apparently the NRA is the only game in town when it comes to insurance and lead remediation for gun ranges. If the NY AG succeeds, say goodbye to your local range.
Chris_H_2 wrote:So this New York AG's lawsuit against the NRA can't be good for democrats this election, right?
Apparently the NRA is the only game in town when it comes to insurance and lead remediation for gun ranges. If the NY AG succeeds, say goodbye to your local range.
A. They aren’t the only game in town for gun range insurance.
B. There won’t be a mass closing of gun ranges if the NRA disappears.
C. If there were, the inability of ranges to function without them would demonstrate an existing problem rather than a net positive for the NRA.
D. I’d personally love to say goodbye to my local range though thx.
Chris_H_2 wrote:So this New York AG's lawsuit against the NRA can't be good for democrats this election, right?
Apparently the NRA is the only game in town when it comes to insurance and lead remediation for gun ranges. If the NY AG succeeds, say goodbye to your local range.
A. They aren’t the only game in town for gun range insurance.
B. There won’t be a mass closing of gun ranges if the NRA disappears.
C. If there were, the inability of ranges to function without them would demonstrate an existing problem rather than a net positive for the NRA.
D. I’d personally love to say goodbye to my local range though thx.
I love your Point C.
But point D, I dunno... I won't miss them myself, but they do probably provide an outlet for some who need one.
Chris_H_2 wrote:So this New York AG's lawsuit against the NRA can't be good for democrats this election, right?
Apparently the NRA is the only game in town when it comes to insurance and lead remediation for gun ranges. If the NY AG succeeds, say goodbye to your local range.
A. They aren’t the only game in town for gun range insurance.
B. There won’t be a mass closing of gun ranges if the NRA disappears.
C. If there were, the inability of ranges to function without them would demonstrate an existing problem rather than a net positive for the NRA.
D. I’d personally love to say goodbye to my local range though thx.
I love your Point C.
But point D, I dunno... I won't miss them myself, but they do probably provide an outlet for some who need one.
Maybe, but points A-C are about the state of the issue at hand, while point D is about my personal feelings on the matter.
Chris_H_2 wrote:So this New York AG's lawsuit against the NRA can't be good for democrats this election, right?
Apparently the NRA is the only game in town when it comes to insurance and lead remediation for gun ranges. If the NY AG succeeds, say goodbye to your local range.
A. They aren’t the only game in town for gun range insurance.
B. There won’t be a mass closing of gun ranges if the NRA disappears.
C. If there were, the inability of ranges to function without them would demonstrate an existing problem rather than a net positive for the NRA.
D. I’d personally love to say goodbye to my local range though thx.
A-C : are there other insurers that are uniquely situated to resist pressure campaigns? NY previously went after the NRA for offering concealed carry insurance. Is there anything preventing them from limiting the ability of insurers to offer liability policies for gun ranges?
By “went after the NRA for offering concealed carry insurance,“ are you referring to the time they went after the NRA for offering insurance while not having a license to conduct insurance business in New York?
McParadigm wrote:By “went after the NRA for offering concealed carry insurance,“ are you referring to the time they went after the NRA for offering insurance while not having a license to conduct insurance business in New York?
*Not having a license to market insurance in New York. Tellingly, NY only went after their underwrriter and administrator for fines and assurances that they would not work with the NRA further. Not at all selective prosecution.
Superior products are available elsewhere, so it seems like an unnecessary self inflicted wound to some extent.
But sure, ignore the whole inevitable pressure campaigns/ lawfare that will make it difficult to continue operating public ranges.
Its cool, I'll just keep depositing lead on BLM land. This is far preferrable.
McParadigm wrote:By “went after the NRA for offering concealed carry insurance,“ are you referring to the time they went after the NRA for offering insurance while not having a license to conduct insurance business in New York?
*Not having a license to market insurance in New York. Tellingly, NY only went after their underwrriter and administrator for fines and assurances that they would not work with the NRA further. Not at all selective prosecution.
Superior products are available elsewhere, so it seems like an unnecessary self inflicted wound to some extent.
But sure, ignore the whole inevitable pressure campaigns/ lawfare that will make it difficult to continue operating public ranges.
Its cool, I'll just keep depositing lead on BLM land. This is far preferrable.
Am I crazy for thinking that public ranges are a rarity, and almost all gun clubs are private?
And do private ranges have increased ability to afford better insurance because of member dues?
I'm not suggesting anything here. My gun range experiences as a kid were at a private range; I've only ever known of private ranges in other places I've lived. And then the only public range I've stepped foot on is in an unincorporated part of MT, most likely (though I couldn't say for sure) on private land that had granted some sort of easement for public firing use.
I meant as in open to the public, as opposed to someone just digging up a berm and shooting in their back yard.
McParadigm wrote:By “went after the NRA for offering concealed carry insurance,“ are you referring to the time they went after the NRA for offering insurance while not having a license to conduct insurance business in New York?
*Not having a license to market insurance in New York. Tellingly, NY only went after their underwrriter and administrator for fines and assurances that they would not work with the NRA further. Not at all selective prosecution.
Superior products are available elsewhere, so it seems like an unnecessary self inflicted wound to some extent.
But sure, ignore the whole inevitable pressure campaigns/ lawfare that will make it difficult to continue operating public ranges.
Its cool, I'll just keep depositing lead on BLM land. This is far preferrable.
Very cool!
VinylGuy wrote:its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
McParadigm wrote:By “went after the NRA for offering concealed carry insurance,“ are you referring to the time they went after the NRA for offering insurance while not having a license to conduct insurance business in New York?
*Not having a license to market insurance in New York. Tellingly, NY only went after their underwrriter and administrator for fines and assurances that they would not work with the NRA further. Not at all selective prosecution.
Superior products are available elsewhere, so it seems like an unnecessary self inflicted wound to some extent.
But sure, ignore the whole inevitable pressure campaigns/ lawfare that will make it difficult to continue operating public ranges.
Its cool, I'll just keep depositing lead on BLM land. This is far preferrable.
Very cool!
Its almost like there are forseeable outcomes of closing local ranges (where you can actually do lead abatement).
Yes we must accommodate the human compulsion to litter on public land.
VinylGuy wrote:its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
Chris_H_2 wrote:there's a lot of bad stuff thrown against the executives of the NRA. i'm curious why there are no criminal charges.
Is it embezzlement if the board knows about it and approves it?
yes. the board may know about it (which make them co-conspirators), but the contributors don't. and it's also fraud if they don't disclose it (and more than likely tax evasion).
