Bammer wrote:I see that nobody disagrees with my assessment of D. Wade.
*Shrugs*
Overrated is always tough to argue. I can see an argument for Wade being overrated, but I think most people have him as tier 3 or 4 all-time player which feels about right. 3rd/4th best SG. Harden will probably/definitely pass him before long. Idk.
I'd probably choose Harden over Wade because of the longevity, but yeah, it's close.
I'm super biased both for Wade and anti-Harden, but if Harden isn't already ahead of him he inevitably will be. I don't like it but I know it's true.
Same.
I'd still have Wade ahead of Harden and maybe a few others. Harden really only plays one end of the court. He is improving a little bit but its still hard to have someone top three who can't play defense. Also like Steph he's very much a product of the new rules and that works great in the regular season but as the playoffs progress and the refs start to swallow their whistles it's not a surprise they falter. The hardest thing with an all time 2G lists is some of the old great white guys from the 70's whose position is ambiguous. Is Jerry West a PG or a 2G. What about Pistol Pete and Rick Berry or John Havlicek who didn't really have a position. Then you got George Gervin who put up Harden like numbers himself or the all time under appreciated Mitch Richmond. I always get bitter when all time 2G discussions start cause of Len Bias. Between him and Reggie Lewis the Celtics gave the 90s away.
Curry has been very good in the playoffs by pretty much any statistical metric. His size is the limitation in those end of game iso situations, not his ability.
Peeps wrote:harden is a much better scorer than wade but he isnt even close on the defensive end.
For sure. I think his offensive numbers will end up being so overwhelming that it'll become accepted wisdom that he's the third best SG ever. But when you compare him to the other top guys the lack of defense is pretty glaring.
"I want to see the whole picture--as nearly as I can. I don't want to put on the blinders of 'good and bad,' and limit my vision."-- In Dubious Battle
That Luka game/shot was unreal. I can't believe how great he's been in this series.
Also, I've said it before but my only hope for the Clippers to not win the championship this year rested on Doc being Doc and Playoff P being Playoff P. They'll still probably win it all but those guys might give everybody a chance after all.
"I want to see the whole picture--as nearly as I can. I don't want to put on the blinders of 'good and bad,' and limit my vision."-- In Dubious Battle
Monkey_Driven wrote:It's been amazing to watch Luka just pick apart the Clippers vaunted perimeter defenders.
How did the Clippers end up with Reggie Jackson trying to guard Luka on that last shot? I realize that Luka ran around some screens before the ball got thrown in but man to have Kawhi (and PG as much as we all enjoy clowning him for getting game winners hit in his eye) off on Kleber and Curry is rough.
Which of the following best describes the final play of game 4?
a. Great play design by Carlisle
b. Horrible defensive call by Doc
c. some of (a) and (b)
d. Didn't matter, Luka is the GOAT
"I want to see the whole picture--as nearly as I can. I don't want to put on the blinders of 'good and bad,' and limit my vision."-- In Dubious Battle
Monkey_Driven wrote:It's been amazing to watch Luka just pick apart the Clippers vaunted perimeter defenders.
How did the Clippers end up with Reggie Jackson trying to guard Luka on that last shot? I realize that Luka ran around some screens before the ball got thrown in but man to have Kawhi (and PG as much as we all enjoy clowning him for getting game winners hit in his eye) off on Kleber and Curry is rough.
Which of the following best describes the final play of game 4?
a. Great play design by Carlisle
b. Horrible defensive call by Doc
c. some of (a) and (b)
d. Didn't matter, Luka is the GOAT
Switching everything defense ruined that play for the Clips. I'd go with a through d.
4/5 wrote:I'm confused as to why Jackson was even on the floor in that spot. My only rationale is that he had the quickness to stay with Curry.
That would be my guess too. Really missing Beverly in those situations, but neither guy has the height to defend that stepback. Luka is huge.
Do you know when big mouth is supposed to come back?
I do not. Though, I would not be surprised if Dallas gets another game in this series. Carlisle excels in these situations when he has an even somewhat decent roster.
