America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

[Peeps]

This sub-forum has never really needed an active mod, in my opinion. At least not for people who post regularly or even somewhat regularly. Just let us call on you when there's an obvious troll who won't go away.

And that isn't machpisto or anyone I can think of right now.

So, you mean, ... don't moderate the forum unless people flag posts and ask us to get involved?

I read him to mean don't bring handcuffs and billy clubs to a word fight.

I mean no disrespect to B. I know he cares about this place. I just mean there's areas of this forum that don't attract a lot of random traffic. I don't know the details here, but if one person flagging a post is auto vacation, I think that's extreme. I think this is a mostly big-boy sub-forum and an actual problem would be pretty apparent and wouldn't draw any protest.

just to be clear i wasnt offended by what he posted because in order to be offended i have to have a smidge of respect towards the person

[Sizzle]

[Norah]

does this mean mac will be gone for even longer?

[Sizzle]

Sup chud?

[Norah]

you sure showed those fascist mods whats up

[washing machine]

Thanks for undermining the defense of free speech with your absolutely retarded news and debate presence, mac.

[Peeps]

Awww I wonder if I can stop paying rent since I’m living rent free in someone’s head

[Rob]

Come on, man! Tryin to help you out.

[B]

does this mean mac will be gone for even longer?

These sleeper accounts DO piss me off.

[simple schoolboy]

Why did this state lines thing become a meme? A lot concern out there about state lines for folks that generally disdain federalism and borders.

Quoting myself again for Spike's benefit.

Anyone have a response as to why 'state lines' became a meme? Some magical federal modifier that doesn't exist?

Its not that he was transporting a minor for immoral purposes, which is about the only criminal act that I am familiar with where the state border is relevant.

Kyle killed people, sure. He also only shot people that put hands on him or pointed a gun at him. Several other folks chased him but had the good sense to stop when he turned around and presented his rifle.

The narrative that he traveled there to murder people is pretty bizarre because he ran away at the first sign of a threat (Rosenbaum angling up on him, and then chasing him). He fulfilled (exceeded?) his duty to retreat in all 3 shootings.

You can maybe have some sympathy for Huber or Grosskreutz who potentially thought they were going after a guy who arbitrarily shot someone, but he was running away, no longer a threat and heading towards police. Weird behavior for a mass shooter.

[blueviper]

Why did this state lines thing become a meme? A lot concern out there about state lines for folks that generally disdain federalism and borders.

Quoting myself again for Spike's benefit.

Anyone have a response as to why 'state lines' became a meme? Some magical federal modifier that doesn't exist?

Its not that he was transporting a minor for immoral purposes, which is about the only criminal act that I am familiar with where the state border is relevant.

Kyle killed people, sure. He also only shot people that put hands on him or pointed a gun at him. Several other folks chased him but had the good sense to stop when he turned around and presented his rifle.

The narrative that he traveled there to murder people is pretty bizarre because he ran away at the first sign of a threat (Rosenbaum angling up on him, and then chasing him). He fulfilled (exceeded?) his duty to retreat in all 3 shootings.

You can maybe have some sympathy for Huber or Grosskreutz who potentially thought they were going after a guy who arbitrarily shot someone, but he was running away, no longer a threat and heading towards police. Weird behavior for a mass shooter.

I don’t know. If he stayed home then no one would have put a hand on him.

[B]

Anyone have a response as to why 'state lines' became a meme? Some magical federal modifier that doesn't exist?

In the list of things Kyle Rittenhouse did wrong that night, that's the easiest to mock?

[Rob]

Still crazy to me that a 17 year old wannabe commando gets himself into a situation where he kills two people, and then becomes a cause.

[wease]

Still crazy to me that a 17 year old wannabe commando gets himself into a situation where he kills two people, and then becomes a cause.

And the president applauds him for it.

[simple schoolboy]

Anyone have a response as to why 'state lines' became a meme? Some magical federal modifier that doesn't exist?

In the list of things Kyle Rittenhouse did wrong that night, that's the easiest to mock?

What about him crossing state borders has any significance? People keep bringing it up as if means something. Its a border town, so what?

[simple schoolboy]

Still crazy to me that a 17 year old wannabe commando gets himself into a situation where he kills two people, and then becomes a cause.

Pretty civic minded kid to go out of his way to try to clean up the town and prevent rioters from doing more damage.
Didn't shoot anyone not attacking him. Righteous shoot, lucky kid.

Considering his charging documents pretty clearly laid out the case for his self defense claim, the murder charges seem politically motivated.

[B]

Anyone have a response as to why 'state lines' became a meme? Some magical federal modifier that doesn't exist?

In the list of things Kyle Rittenhouse did wrong that night, that's the easiest to mock?

What about him crossing state borders has any significance? People keep bringing it up as if means something. Its a border town, so what?

That's my point. It's the low hanging fruit.

But one might argue that each state has different laws about firearms, and he had no fucking idea what the firearms laws were in the state he was entering. Thus his current legal problems.

[simple schoolboy]

Anyone have a response as to why 'state lines' became a meme? Some magical federal modifier that doesn't exist?

In the list of things Kyle Rittenhouse did wrong that night, that's the easiest to mock?

What about him crossing state borders has any significance? People keep bringing it up as if means something. Its a border town, so what?

That's my point. It's the low hanging fruit.

But one might argue that each state has different laws about firearms, and he had no fucking idea what the firearms laws were in the state he was entering. Thus his current legal problems.

He's not being charged with anything relating to transporting the rifle. Certainly nothing Federally or by Illinois (which has stricter laws than Wisconsin). If he ever possed the rifle in Illinois he would be charged for not having a Firearm Owner ID (FOID) and for being underage. The rifle was in Wisconsin throughout (not that this matters). His weapons charge is for being a minor in possession of a dangerous weapon.

The Wisconsin law on minors is not that clearly written, but it appears there is a carve out for 16-18 year olds with a hunting license or under the supervision of an adult as long as its not a short barrelled rifle. Clearly he was not involved in hunting, but the law is strangely phrased, so I'm not sure what clause they are relying on for this charge.

However, the guy that purchased the rifle for Kyle is fucked because it was a straw purchase. Feds haven't filed charges yet, but he already has two state felony counts for giving Kyle the rifle. Straw purchases are infrequently prosecuted, but maybe due to the profile of this case it will be. Its a weird area that the feds could be super aggressive in but they don't like the optics of throwing shooters girlfriends in federal prison.

[simple schoolboy]

Is Biden still hardcore into opening up the NFA?

[B]

Anyone have a response as to why 'state lines' became a meme? Some magical federal modifier that doesn't exist?

In the list of things Kyle Rittenhouse did wrong that night, that's the easiest to mock?

What about him crossing state borders has any significance? People keep bringing it up as if means something. Its a border town, so what?

That's my point. It's the low hanging fruit.

But one might argue that each state has different laws about firearms, and he had no fucking idea what the firearms laws were in the state he was entering. Thus his current legal problems.

He's not being charged with anything relating to transporting the rifle. Certainly nothing Federally or by Illinois (which has stricter laws than Wisconsin). If he ever possed the rifle in Illinois he would be charged for not having a Firearm Owner ID (FOID) and for being underage. The rifle was in Wisconsin throughout (not that this matters). His weapons charge is for being a minor in possession of a dangerous weapon.

The Wisconsin law on minors is not that clearly written, but it appears there is a carve out for 16-18 year olds with a hunting license or under the supervision of an adult as long as its not a short barrelled rifle. Clearly he was not involved in hunting, but the law is strangely phrased, so I'm not sure what clause they are relying on for this charge.

However, the guy that purchased the rifle for Kyle is fucked because it was a straw purchase. Feds haven't filed charges yet, but he already has two state felony counts for giving Kyle the rifle. Straw purchases are infrequently prosecuted, but maybe due to the profile of this case it will be. Its a weird area that the feds could be super aggressive in but they don't like the optics of throwing shooters girlfriends in federal prison.