Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

[verb_to_trust]

SP already ditched the guitars with Adore. But that album is a fucking masterpiece and this one is just so similar...

How is it similar? This sucks and Adore is okay.

[Ello Sailor]

Pleasantly surprised by this "live" cut-together performance.

[Jorge]

That was good. Barely different from the studio cut but I enjoyed it. I like the song "Cyr" a lot, haven't listened to the rest of the album yet

[VinylGuy]

yeah, cool rendition. Billy was also featured on Stern yesterday and he played Check My Brain for the AIC tribute.

Busy day.

[Ello Sailor]

This sucks and Adore is okay.

Adore is a masterpiece. I agree with Veggie.

[Ello Sailor]

Here's a 2 hr 53 min. Machina mix:



ACT I

0:01 - If There Is A God
2:34 - The Imploding Voice
7:00 - Raindrops + Sunshowers
11:39 - Stand Inside Your Love
15:53 - I Of The Mourning
20:31 - Blue Skies Bring Tears (version electrique)
23:49 - Dross
27:19 Here's To The Atom Bomb
31:46 Let Me Give The World To You
35:56 Innosense
38:30 Go
42:18 Vanity
46:26 Speed Kills (But Beauty Lives Forever) (M2 EP2)

ACT II

51:28 - Glass' Theme (M2 LP)
53:22 - Cash Car Star (M2 LP)
56:45 - Lucky 13
59:48 - Soul Power
1:02:47 - Rock On (live-sound check, from Judas)
1:08:54 - Saturnine (M2 EP1)
1:12:50 - La Deux Machina
1:14:40 - Heavy Metal Machine (v.1)
1:21:17 - White Spyder
1:24:55 - Glass and the Ghost Children
1:34:50 - In My Body
1:41:45 - Soot & Stars
1:48:28 - Atom Bomb

ACT III

1:52:20 - The Everlasting Gaze
1:56:22 - Heavy Metal Machine (M1)
2:02:16 - This Time
2:07:01 - Real Love
2:11:12 - The Sacred and Profane
2:15:32 - Try, Try, Try (M1)
2:20:41 - Slow Dawn
2:23:52 - Wound
2:27:51 - The Crying Tree Of Mercury
2:31:35 - With Every Light
2:35:32 - Home
2:40:04 - Blue Skies Bring Tears (M1)
2:45:49 - Age Of Innocence

*shrugs* listening now.

[Ello Sailor]

I wish they'd get Flood back to produce another album.

[VinylGuy]

I wish they'd get Flood back to produce another album.

meh, i kinda hate how Machina sounds.

Anyone recorded Billy's interview with Stern?

[Ello Sailor]

You're forgetting Mellon Collie. Also Machina sounds so much better than everything following it. The Pumpkins were clearly never meant to be shiny. Or oh, so bright.

[Ello Sailor]

Anyone recorded Billy's interview with Stern?

I was hoping to give it a skim also, but it'll likely just be Howard kissing Billy's ass. It always is.

[VinylGuy]

You're forgetting Mellon Collie. Also Machina sounds so much better than everything following it. The Pumpkins were clearly never meant to be shiny. Or oh, so bright.

Mellon Collie sounds awesome. The best sounding album for them. And yes, Machina sounds better than the latter albums, but ruins a lot of songs from the album.

Vol 1. has a simple production that i like.

[AndySlash]

a 72-minute double album

remember when single cd albums were 72 minutes (or even 80)? i guess the vinyl resurgence/cd decline really reverted the naming convention to pre-cd days.

also, "adrennalynne". wtf, b0lly.

[Ello Sailor]

Wasn't Adore 78 mins? He's an attention whore. Bummer.

[VinylGuy]

yeah, this is a very short double album. Its fine with me.

[Ello Sailor]

After my first listen I love 'The Color of Love' and 'Save Your Tears'. 'Cyr' and 'Ramona' are pretty good. 'Birch Grove' and 'Anno Satana' are okay. The rest ranges from poor to hilariously poor.

It's very samey, isn't it? I'll try to give it another chance, but this clearly didn't need to be a double album.

[Ello Sailor]

So this thing has grown on me considerably. It's definitely a headphones album. Sure it suffers from Corgan word salad, and many songs seem hookless on first listen, but it just sounds so good. I cannot get over how beautiful the backing vocals throughout, by Sierra Swan and Katie Cole, are.

I can understand why a lot of fans of 88-00 Pumpkins wouldn't like it, though. It's closer to Billy's 2005 solo record TheFutureEmbrace than The Smashing Pumpkins in sound.

[VinylGuy]

yeah, i havent picked up again but its something i will do, specially because how good it sounds and also because sometimes SP albums take a while to actually sink in.

[VinylGuy]

A first try to the best of SP 2.0. Trying to do a short list.

1. Doomsday Clock
2. Freak
3. Superchrist
4. Slivery Sometimes (ghosts)
5. Being Beige
6. The Celestials
7. G.L.O.W.
8. United States
9. Marchin On
10. Cyr
11. Owata
12. Gossamer
13. Zeitgeist

Maybe Minerva belongs there. There are many songs from Zeitgeist i could add, some more from Teargarden..Oceania and Monumets not so much. CYR is too new.

[Ello Sailor]

Great job, VG. Couple thoughts:

I could never get into Doomsday Clock because the doubled vocals in the chorus sound off key to me, almost like Billy is parodying himself.

Tiberius, One and All, Drum + Fife & Dorian are all > Being Beige.

Silvery Sometimes and Marchin' On are great calls. I can't really stand the album as a whole, but those two are bangers.

I wouldn't even know where to find a quality rip/stream of G.L.O.W and Superchrist. Also, is there a definitive live version of Gossamer you would use?

No 'Starz'?

[VinylGuy]

I get what you say about DC, all the songs on Zeitgeist have a weird sonic moment. I just love the intro, Jimmy´s wild drums, and that broooom with the guitars...I remember when i first put the cd and i felt fuck yeah! I love the song for it.

As for those Monuments songs...well, Being Beige is the most accesible one and i was thinking also about the list. Maybe Tiberius could be there yeah.

GLOW and Superchrist...yeah, i had some mp3 back in the day, but its a shame those two are not on Spotify. They are fucking good. Gossamer...any live version...maybe the most official one is from If All Goes Wrong?

No Starz.

Also do you remember a single he released that was featured on a car commercial? or a video game commercial? Sounded good...most of Teargarden sounded way better than i expected.